MY favorite arguments for the existence of the Christian God:

[bhsmte]

Anything that isn't totally secular in nature isn't science.

- atheists

Why dont you define science for us?

 

[DavidFirth]

Why dont you define science for us?

Get a dictionary. Or do you not know what that is, either?

 

[bhsmte]

Get a dictionary. Or do you not know what that is, either?

I asked for how you define science.

 

[DavidFirth]

I asked for how you define science.

Why? You trolling me again?

 

[AV1611VET]

QED! (Thankfully we no longer call it "Saturnalia"!)

Yup.

God effectively pwned Saturnalia by having His Son being born right after their festival so as to knock it right off its foundation and blow it to dust.

Kinda like ...

Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

C'mon man, how about this one!

* Oh, Buddha *

If someone can listen to "Oh Buddha" and NOT come out on the other side as a Christian it would be a miracle!

Like you do?

This is the best Christian artwork you could find? Really???

Okay.

You got me on that one.

I spent too much time on the others and was just wanting to pick something to make my point and get it over with.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why? You trolling me again?

Hey, bro? is that J. D. Cannon?

 

[DavidFirth]

Hey, bro? is that J. D. Cannon?

Sorry, never heard of him. Did all the trolls on this site decide to get together and bug him, too?

 

[bhsmte]

Why? You trolling me again?

Is that how your defense mechanisms react, to a simple question? LOL

 

[Occams Barber]

1. Consensus of opinion.

• Every single believer ... past, present, and future ... believes IN THE BEGINNING, GOD. If consensus of opinion carries so much academic weight, then they should give this point a lot more consideration than they do.

A wonderfully circular argument - "Every single believer believes therefore it must be true".

2. Cause-and-Effect.

• Edifices, literature, holidays, songs, artwork, history and martyrs all attest to God's existence. If cause-and-effect carries so much academic weight, then they should give this point a lot more consideration than they do.

Whatever believers may do to celebrate their particular god attests to a belief in that god. Belief in a god is not proof of its existence.
(think Yeti, Aliens, Astrology, Thor, Flat Earth Theory, Fairy and Goblin beliefs for valid comparisons)
OB

 

[Occams Barber]

Short of calling you a liar ... which I will not do ... I'll simply ask you this:

Do you really believe that yourself?

If not ... okay if I don't, either?

And while you're mocking my evidence, how about you show me someone who was martyred for believing in and/or writing about Santa Claus?

I'm not sure about people who Suffered for Santa but I know that Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer was given a pretty hard time ( they used to laugh and call him names)
OB

 

[AV1611VET]

A wonderfully circular argument - "Every single believer believes therefore it must be true".

Did I say it must be true?

I'm saying it is basic science.

Consensus of Opinion, to be exact.

Whatever believers may do to celebrate their particular god attests to a belief in that god.

You mean like being martyred?

Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

Does that sound like celebrating to you?

Belief in a god is not proof of its existence.

Let God prove His own existence.

And as for those who refuse to accept it ...

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(think Yeti, Aliens, Astrology, Thor, Flat Earth Theory, Fairy and Goblin beliefs for valid comparisons)
OB

I think of Satan as the great imitator.

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm not sure about people who Suffered for Santa but I know that Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer was given a pretty hard time ( they used to laugh and call him names)
OB

That's nice.

There are some 25 ways Satan imitates Jesus Christ.

One I like to use is:

Jesus: Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Santa: Ho! Ho! Ho!

 

[Kenny'sID]

1. The same argument applies to Muslims and hundreds of other religions and to children who believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. Just because a lot of people believe something does not mean it's true.

Just as it does the big bang and evolution?

At least creation makes logical sense, and speaking of Santa and the Tooth Fairy, the Poof theory/Big bang and shape shifting animals? not so much.

 

[HitchSlap]

Anything that isn't totally secular in nature isn't science.

- atheists

Everything we don’t understand, goddidit.

-christians

 

[Kenny'sID]

Everything we don’t understand, goddidit.

Beats the heck out of Poof! and here we are, billions of years and unanswered questions later.

 

[HitchSlap]

Beats the heck out of Poof! and here we are, billions of years and unanswered questions later.

Yep. Reality can be a real beach.

 

[Dave RP]

Just as it does the big bang and evolution?

At least creation makes logical sense, and speaking of Santa and the Tooth Fairy, the Poof theory/Big bang and shape shifting animals? not so much.

The Big Bang and evolution or scientific theories, I’m certain you really understand the difference between scientific analysis and blind faith.

Academics see the world around them as it is, they see evidence of how it was in the past, they formulate a theory of how changes happened and that is tested and refined by other academics till it either is sufficiently proven or amended until the academic world is satisfied.

Religious belief is entirely different. For devout Christians there is nothing more needed than belief, “the bible says it” is enough. They will not answer simple questions with any clarity but they don’t have to, they just “believe”.

To say creation “creation makes logical sense” is ridiculous. Who made the “creator”? Where did the creator come from? How can a mythical being who is neither seen nor heard or physically felt just “think” things like the universe into existence. Why, even if this mythical creator did somehow think the universe into existence, in all its unimaginable vastness, would he care on jot about a few punt humans on a fit of a rock in some obscure corner of the universe?

Then we have a “soul” that somehow survives us, and we all go to one of two places no one has ever seen, which exist nowhere apparently, heaven or hell, and this mythical god will send everyone to one or the other fir eternity just because you either worshipped him in the correct manner or didn’t.

Then we have the bible, the most flawed book you can come across, filled with ludicrous stories many of which make no sense. The book was written by men, yet believers blindly follow it as “gods word”. The creation myth, the flood, the torture of Job, Jonah and the fish, Lot and his sexual antics with his daughters, there are just so many examples of ridiculous stories in the bible but devout Christians “believe” in its veracity without question.

Therein lies the difference, academics will ALWAYS question a theory, over and over again, question and test, modify and hone it until it describes what we see happening. Devout believers in any of the numerous religious texts just read them and believe unquestioning because that’s what faith is. To compare the scientific method with blind faith and adherence to an old book written by normal men is just plain ridiculous. By all means believe, that’s fair enough but do not disparage science, they are polar opposites.

PS “poof” is UK slang for homosexual!

 

[DavidFirth]

Everything we don’t understand, goddidit.

-christians

Hmm... so atheists understand everything then? I think not.

 

[Dave RP]

Hmm... so atheists understand everything then? I think not.

No we don’t, no one does, not the most astute scientist or the local street sweeper, some atheists will think deeply about the universe and try to understand scientific theories, most will not. The only thing that unites all atheists is we don’t believe in any of the available gods. That’s it.

 

[DavidFirth]

No we don’t, no one does, not the most astute scientist or the local street sweeper, some atheists will think deeply about the universe and try to understand scientific theories, most will not. The only thing that unites all atheists is we don’t believe in any of the available gods. That’s it.

Of course you don't, that was my sarcastic reply to the sarcastic post I had quoted.