My family is threatening to disown me if I get married to my fiance

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

The argument against accepting transgender people eludes me, to be honest,

I just wanted to remind everyone that the topic of this thread is not about accepting transgender people. It is about condoning what is essentially a homosexual marriage and whether or not a Christian parent should accept the marriage or not.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Are you not accepting of pedophiles? How can you accept homosexuals and not pedophiles? Who are you to tell a 10 year old girl she cannot love a 40 year old man when you think it is bigotry for a Christian to tell a man he cannot love another man?

You think this statement is funny. However, I am not going to be the one having to rationalize supporting one over the other.

 

[Sparagmos]

If you believe that "hypocrite" is not an accurate word, perhaps we can use "double standard"?

A double standard is holding someone else to a standard that you yourself do not adhere to.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

A double standard is holding someone else to a standard that you yourself do not adhere to.

double standard
noun
plural noun: double standards

1. a rule or principle which is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.
   "the double standards employed to deal with ordinary people and those in the City"

Edit: Definition of hypocritical
: characterized by behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel
: being a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings : being a hypocrite

 

[Sparagmos]

double standard
noun
plural noun: double standards

1. a rule or principle which is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.
   "the double standards employed to deal with ordinary people and those in the City"

Sure, it can also apply to someone other than yourself. I honestly don’t know what the point you are trying to make is.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Sure, it can also apply to someone other than yourself. I honestly don’t know what the point you are trying to make is.

How is it possible for you to accept gay marriage but not polygamy, incest, and bestiality without having a double standard? You cannot answer this question so I completely understand why you are dodging it.

Remember, you are the one who said, "Please don’t let your parents’ bigotry keep you from marrying the person whom you love." So by your own words, not accepting polygamy, incest, and bestiality, and even pedophilia makes you a "Bigot" in your own words. Thus you are hypocritical for suggesting that you are not a bigot while setting a double standard at the same time.

 

[Sparagmos]

How is it possible for you to accept gay marriage but not polygamy, incest, and bestiality without having a double standard? You cannot answer this question so I completely understand why you are dodging it.

Because they aren’t the same thing. And that’s the first time you’ve asked me that question, so obviously I haven’t “dodged” it.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Because they aren’t the same thing. And that’s the first time you’ve asked me that question, so obviously I haven’t “dodged” it.

Really, explain why that is so. Why is incest wrong? Why is polygamy wrong? Why is bestiality wrong? Why is a Christian a "bigot" for saying homosexuality is wrong?

 

[Sparagmos]

How is it possible for you to accept gay marriage but not polygamy, incest, and bestiality without having a double standard? You cannot answer this question so I completely understand why you are dodging it.

Remember, you are the one who said, "Please don’t let your parents’ bigotry keep you from marrying the person whom you love." So by your own words, not accepting polygamy, incest, and bestiality, and even pedophilia makes you a "Bigot" in your own words. Thus you are hypocritical for suggesting that you are not a bigot while setting a double standard at the same time.

Are you drunk?

I never uttered the words bestislity or incest. You’re spinning out of control here, LOL...

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Are you drunk?

I never uttered the words bestislity or incest. You’re spinning out of control here, LOL...

Remember, you are the one who said, "Please don’t let your parents’ bigotry keep you from marrying the person whom you love." So by your own words, not accepting polygamy, incest, and bestiality, and even pedophilia makes you a "Bigot" in your own words. Thus you are hypocritical for suggesting that you are not a bigot while setting a double standard at the same time.

 

[Sparagmos]

Really, explain why that is so. Why is incest wrong? Why is polygamy wrong? Why is bestiality wrong? Why is a Christian a "bigot" for saying homosexuality is wrong?

Any non-consensual sex is wrong, and sex with children is by nature non-consensual. I’m personally not into polygamy but I think if properly regulated it could be legal. Not sure how that would work with kids and all though. I think it’s bigotry to reject Transgender people because it’s bigoted to not accept anyone simply because they are different.

 

[Sparagmos]

Remember, you are the one who said, "Please don’t let your parents’ bigotry keep you from marrying the person whom you love." So by your own words, not accepting polygamy, incest, and bestiality, and even pedophilia makes you a "Bigot" in your own words. Thus you are hypocritical for suggesting that you are not a bigot while setting a double standard at the same time.

If you say so...

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Any non-consensual sex is wrong, and sex with children is by nature non-consensual. I’m personally not into polygamy but I think if properly regulated it could be legal. Not sure how that would work with kids and all though. I think it’s bigotry to reject Transgender people because it’s bigoted to not accept anyone simply because they are different.

So now we are getting somewhere. So not only are you okay with homosexual marriage, but now polygamy is fine within certain undefined "regulations". What about incest? Is it okay for a biological brother and sister to have consensual sex or should there be some "regulation" for that too? What about a father and his adult daughter? Is that okay as long as it is "consensual"?

 

[Sparagmos]

So now we are getting somewhere. So not only are you okay with homosexual marriage, but now polygamy is fine within certain undefined "regulations". What about incest. Is okay for a biological brother and sister to have consensual sex or should there be some "regulation" for that too? What about a father and his adult daughter? Is that okay as long as it is "consensual"?

Incest is bad. I think everybody pretty much feels that way so I don’t know if we are “getting” anywhere.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Incest is bad. I think everybody pretty much feels that way so I don’t know if we are “getting” anywhere.

Well, since you have already threw out the word of God I can understand why you can only use consent as a way to condemn pedophilia and bestiality. However, you said "Please don’t let your parents’ bigotry keep you from marrying the person whom you love." So by your own words, not accepting incest makes you a "Bigot". By saying "incest is bad" you are hypocritical for suggesting that you are not a bigot while setting a double standard at the same time. Why is incest bad?

Now, just to clarify. The whole point of this back and forth is not about incest, or polygamy. It is the consequences of compromising the word of God to appease the world. Once you compromise one thing, you open up a can of worms (which I have clearly demonstrated). Because you compromised the word of God to condone gay marriage, YOU are now having to rationalize polygamy as "being okay within certain regulations" and YOU are now forced to defend your condemnation of incest with absolutely no justifiable foundation. Once again, these are issues I do not have to struggle with because I did not compromise with gay marriage or remarrying the divorced.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Incest is bad. I think everybody pretty much feels that way so I don’t know if we are “getting” anywhere.

Since you have already threw the word of God out the window by supporting gay marriage, on what grounds can you justifiably say "incest is bad" without being a hypocritical bigot who is setting a double standard?

BTW... you would be hypocritical not because I am in any way saying you are practicing incest. You would be hypocritical to say I am a bigot for "telling someone they couldn't be with the person they loved" while you yourself are saying you wouldn't be a "bigot" for telling a father and daughter they couldn't be with the person they love.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

once again.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

@Sparagmos Perhaps I came across a little too strong so I will apologize for that. Ephesians 4:15 NIV says that I should contend for the truth with gentleness and respect. I am afraid I have not been as gentle nor respectful as I should have. However, I will still stand firm with my statement and say that as a Christian you should "no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming" (Ephesians 4:14 NIV). You have been deceived by the world. It is not too late for you to recant your statements and return to the obedience of the word of God.

 

[whereloveandmercymeet]

I think the issue that we were dealing with here on this thread was not that he didn't get his answer as for Christian point of view. It was his reaction to it by pointing out the hypocrisy of his sister's divorce to play the victim, attack Christian's, and make excuses.

I think it was less attacking people and more a “how is it fair” response. And he has a valid point. How is it fair that people will accept one situation that apparently goes against our beliefs and not another? Now I’d guess, and I mean guess, that most Christians would probably approach both situations the same, so they would accept or reject both, but his parents do not. I feel like he’s trying to find out how some Christians can justify one thing they call sin and not another. Obviously only Theo knows his actual intentions but it seems to me that he’s a person that is being rather hurt by behaviour that someone (his parents) are saying is because they Christians, and he’s just upset and trying to find out how they can justify it. I don’t think he’s attacking all Christians, just hypocritical ones. As I said, only he knows his motives but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, because he’s clearly hurt over the behaviour he’s experienced.