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You're changing the subject. I replied to one aspect of the post in question and you are apparently interested in debating a different one.You're going to have to show me a biblical case of adultery where sin was not involved.
Not all females have the same tendencies. Like I offer > some number of things are what humans have decided are female.I dont think that somebody who has just been fooled into thinking they are female would have all female tendencies.
I do not personally know your parents; so I don't know if they are copy-cat cultural church people, or if they are growing in how we become because of Jesus in us.I am just trying to get the perspective of other christians to try to understand how my parents think.
You list this as a capital offense in the Law of Moses. Please read it again. The offense is not that the woman has lost her virginity, at least according to what I can see, but how she has on purpose misled people by fooling a man into thinking she is virgin so he marries her thinking she is a virgin. Note, how he finds out after they are married. So, to me this means she has on purpose misled people. That is betraying trust. To betray trust is not only doing what is immoral for pleasure, but betraying is an act of hatred, which you might know the Bible says is a form of murder.Loss of virginity by a woman PRIOR to marriage
Ya I suspect this story runs pretty deep and we are hearing one side.. I never agree with disowning. Cutting off of an adult relative maybe but not disowning.Yes but unlike the prodigal son, this man’s parents are disowning him. And note that his parents didn’t disown him when he left their faith, causing him, as you say, to go to hell. They disowned him for getting engaged to a transgender person. So I guess that is worse than not being a Christian?
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I grew up in a fairly strict Christian family. Around the age of 19, I started to doubt the religion I had been raised in, & now consider myself agnostic. This in itself caused a lot of problems with my parents, however, they have sort of accepted it, probably because they are hoping I will change my mind again later in life & return to Christianity.
At the age of 21, I met my current fiance, who I am very much in love with, & we are going to get married in 6 months time. When my family 1st met my fiance about 2 years ago, they had no problems with her & seemed very happy that we were together. They also seemed happy when we announced our engagement 6 months ago. My fiance is also from a Christian family, so I think they were relieved about that.
So whats changed? Well, my fiance was born with male genitals, but from an early age, she thinks as early as 4 years old, she started behaving & identifying as a girl. She is on hormone treatment, & as female as any other female I know, & I have never seen her as anything but female. 2 months ago we decided that we should tell my parents about her transition, as they had no idea before. Now my parents are convinced if I marry this girl I will be going straight to hell. They have said that they won't attend our wedding, & if I marry her they will disown me.
My fiance is very upset about this, & I don't know what to do. She thinks we should call off the wedding until my parents accept it, but I don't know if they ever will, & I don't think my parents should dictate who I marry.
My fiances own parents are Christian, but they accepted many years ago the reality that their son is now their daughter, & they are happy for our marriage.
Just looking for advice from the perspective of other Christians I guess.
Well, post a thread in the Christian apologetics section and we will give it a go.Now you are verballing me. i was replying to somebody else who made that sugestion, NOT myself. I am not trying to disprove anything. The person I replied to made the comment that he himself suffers from delusional thoughts. I suggest that you read the whole message before you jump to false conclusions.
I didnt come here to 'disprove' religion. But I have been asked the question by you yourself, what would proof consist of, & I have given my answer. You now have the opportunity to prove ME wrong if you want to or think you can.
Christianity is not only or mainly beliefs.Firstly, I was raised as a Christian, & believed it was true for most of my life.
Yes, the Bible says there is hell, but Jesus does not use hell as a threat to get people to do what He wants.i wanted to be very sure of what I believed in, because I had also been raised to belive that all non christians are going to hell, & the fear of that probably was the prime motivator that was keeping me IN christianity.
My opinion at this point is that human means have no ability to prove who God is or is not.You ask me what would proof for the existance of god look like. Well the bible could have mentioned some things that are actually testable, to see if the truth of reality relates to what it says in the bible.
We are not God's dictator, I now am glad to say.A real God would
You're changing the subject. I replied to one aspect of the post in question and you are apparently interested in debating a different one.
Thanks for sharing that. It made my day, seeing how there are such nice caring people out there.
No, my friend, you keep bouncing back and forth here, one minute you are talking about adultery as in divorce and remarriage, (exactly what I was talking about/replying to) and now you have jumped back to the punishable by death, straight up adultery.
You aren't paying attention, STOP and listen. Divorce and remarriage was NEVER a a damnable sin as strait up adultery was, even in the OT. The law allowed it. Then later in the NT Jesus only said that was not the way it was meant to be because God intended for us to be together always. You say Jesus never said it was a lessor sin but where did he once call divorce and remarriage damnable? He himself said it was allowed because of the hardness of their hearts, and never once said it was any different then over today where it is still allowed for us to divorce and remarry. IT'S A LESSER ADULTERY, always has been, and as far as I know, always will be. It was allowed by the old law and Christ didn't change that.
If you don't get it this time, oh, well, but don't accuse me of changing the bible. Everything I just said is in line with what the bible says, you are the one calling divorce and remarriage a damnable sin...why? If the law of Moses allowed it, how could it be damnable? There wasn't even a penalty for it like fornication or standard adultery back then, as a matter of fact, it wasn't even considered adultery, Christ coined it adultery in the NT but once again, never said the punishment for it was any more than back then, as in there was none (it's actually it's own punishment)... I realize your view works for you, but it's just not reality. No one is singling HS's out, as much as you'd like that to be the case.
I minimize nothing, you maximized it wrongly, you said Jesus spoke of adultery as a damnable sin, and the sin he was referring to was not. In the beginning of this I said to show me a christian who says adultery is acceptable, and then, knowing you could not do that, you switched gears to the divorce and remarry adultery that is in reality still allowed yet you are still claiming it's damnable when it never was that and still isn't
In that case she is his fiancée to get the spelling correct.He has already referred to his fiancé as a woman so I think you know he considers his fiancé a woman.
I knew someone who was Jewish who became a Christian and his parents disowned him and considered him dead. They held a funeral for him. I have heard that years later they were reconciled, but I never heard that from him.No.
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People in many other countries indeed give up everything else in their lives when they accept Christ.
Well you corrected others spelling. Not just you but all who got it wrong.You posted to correct my spelling? That’s pretty petty.
This thread isn’t a joke, it involves the life and loved ones of the OP, and sidetracking the discussion just to make petty jabs isn’t helpful, IMO.Well you corrected others spelling. Not just you but all who got it wrong.
I think the issue that we were dealing with here on this thread was not that he didn't get his answer as for Christian point of view. It was his reaction to it by pointing out the hypocrisy of his sister's divorce to play the victim, attack Christian's, and make excuses.I don’t think that Theo came here to try and do anything except understand why his parents feel that the way they do and see if he could find a way to connect with them on the issue. It seems to me he’s asking questions about why we believe what we do, and that should be encouraged. After all, that’s how we come to understand other faiths and also how people come to join ours.
Theo, it’s possible you’re going to find very few people who agree with what you’re doing from a biblical standpoint. And they can quote scripture by the dozen to support it. The fact is there’s also non religious reasons. Like the practicality of having children. That could also be weighing on your parents.
If your parents liked your fiancée as a person before they knew, then clearly it’s not to do with behaviour or anything just the transgender issues. Have they said why they are against it? That may help in your approach.
It might be worth talking to their pastor if they have one. Not to go complaining to them or anything, just be honest and tell them you’re having a hard time accepting the way your parents feel and you want to understand why they feel that way. That may help you at least start on the same page.
It may also help to give your parents some information for them to read in their own time, pressure free about Gender Dysphoria so they can understand your fiancée more?
You’ll probably never get them to agree with it (and I don’t think you should force them to abandon their beliefs) but you might be able to get them to accept your chose know life and person which I think from what you’ve been saying is what you actually want, I don’t think you’re trying to make them abandon beliefs just accept your marriage and not disown you for it?
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