My Apple Challenge

[LightSeaker]

Oh, my -- irony meter, meet mr pot & mr kettle:

That remark was solid aurum.

It matters not the evolutionary trajectory we arose from, we are still Human Beings.

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[AV1611VET]

It matters not the evolutionary trajectory we arose from, we are still Human Beings.

I disagree.

In Darwin's trajectory we are Homo sapiens, and Paul points out that those who call themselves sapiens run the risk of becoming atheists:

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

In God's trajectory we are living souls.

Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[sandwiches]

I disagree.

In Darwin's trajectory we are Homo sapiens, and Paul points out that those who call themselves sapiens run the risk of becoming atheists:

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

In God's trajectory we are living souls.

Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

'Sapiens' means 'wise' or 'rational.' So, what you're saying is that the Bible is against Christians being wise or rational. That explains a lot.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I disagree.

In Darwin's trajectory we are Homo sapiens, and Paul points out that those who call themselves sapiens run the risk of becoming atheists:

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

In God's trajectory we are living souls.

Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

ToE was unknown at the time of Paul. This scripture is not alluding to ToE. This is what happens when all you read is the bible. Context is everything.

 

[AV1611VET]

'Sapiens' means 'wise' or 'rational.'

I know what 'sapiens' means.

So, what you're saying is that the Bible is against Christians being wise or rational.

Watch that Arab Phone, sandwiches.

The Bible is against anyone (not just Christians) professing themselves (not 'being') to be wise.

True wisdom comes from God -- not science.

That explains a lot.

Yes -- that Arab Phone was tailor-made for those who don't like how the Bible puts it.

That's why they like to change "miracle" to "magic" and "created ex nihilo or materia" to "poofed".

 

[AV1611VET]

ToE was unknown at the time of Paul.

Again, I disagree with that.

At the very least, it was in a prescient stage.

Solomon studied apes and concluded:

Ec 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Yes -- Solomon couldn't use the word "evolution", but he knew enough to call it what it is: an 'invention' -- (not a "discovery", like evolutionists think).

 

[sandwiches]

I know what 'sapiens' means.

Watch that Arab Phone, sandwiches.

The Bible is against anyone (not just Christians) professing themselves (not 'being') to be wise.

True wisdom comes from God -- not science.

Yes -- that Arab Phone was tailor-made for those who don't like how the Bible puts it.

That's why they like to change "miracle" to "magic" and "created ex nihilo or materia" to "poofed".

So, a name is really so significant to where a person could go to hell for calling themselves a Homo Sapiens?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

What is there to disagree with? Darwin published the "Origin" in 1859. The earliest mss we have of Paul is what, late first, early second century? Either way, that was a long way inbetween, so no way Paul would have know about ToE.

In fact your reasons for believing otherwise are none other than religious. Continually making false claims is disingenuous at least. Can you think of any other reason for Pauls statement?

 

[sandwiches]

Again, I disagree with that.

At the very least, it was in a prescient stage.

Solomon studied apes and concluded:

Ec 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Yes -- Solomon couldn't use the word "evolution", but he knew enough to call it what it is: an 'invention' -- (not a "discovery", like evolutionists think).

Don't make things up or twist the meanings of the verses, AV; he was talking about electric treadmills.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, a name is really so significant to where a person could go to hell for calling themselves a Homo Sapiens?

What does soteriology have to do with this?

 

[AV1611VET]

What is there to disagree with? Darwin published the "Origin" in 1859. The earliest mss we have of Paul is what, late first, early second century? Either way, that was a long way inbetween, so no way Paul would have know about ToE.

In fact your reasons for believing otherwise are none other than religious. Continually making false claims is disingenuous at least. Can you think of any other reason for Pauls statement?

Well, I could pull rank and say they are God's words and not Pauls, but I won't -- unless you insist.

 

[sandwiches]

What does soteriology have to do with this?

Perhaps I did jump to conclusions. You're saying that by using certain names to refer to certain things, Christians may lose their way and become atheists. I simply assumed that atheists would go to hell.

Why would people who use the name 'homo sapiens' to refer to our species become atheists?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Well, I could pull rank and say they are God's words and not Pauls, but I won't -- unless you insist.

Not so much pulling rank as suggesting something you will never be able to support. In fact, name just one thing "special or revelatory" that Paul, with his education and experience, could not have been written by him alone.

In fact, resorting to "pulling rank" just proves I'm right.

 

[AV1611VET]

In fact, name just one thing "special or revelatory" that Paul, with his education and experience, could not have been written by him alone.

The Rapture:

1 Corinthians 15:51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Including the order of ascension:

1 Thessalonians 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

The Rapture:

51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This didn't happen. This hasn't happened. This proves nothing but my point. Anyone could have written this.

"In the year 2281, the earth will quake with resounding fury and force such as never experienced. The dead will rise, and the risen shall fall. The internet shall be dispensed freely, unabated, to all who shall use WiFi."

See, anyone can write anything. Doesn't make it true, however. Surely you understand this?

 

[AV1611VET]

This didn't happen. This hasn't happened. This proves nothing but my point. Anyone could have written this.

"In the year 2281, the earth will quake with resounding fury and force such as never experienced. The dead will rise, and the risen shall fall. The internet shall be dispensed freely, unabated, to all who shall use WiFi."

See, anyone can write anything. Doesn't make it true, however. Surely you understand this?

I understand Matthew 7:6.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I understand Matthew 7:6.

As do I.

I also understand you're walking away with your tail between your legs.

 

[sandwiches]

I understand Matthew 7:6.

I understand you evade the point.

Paul or just about any human being at the time had the capability of coming up with such a story. Nothing you've quoted shows something that any man would not have been able to write without divine inspiration.

 

[LightSeaker]

I disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement.

We are what we are today. Period!! And what we are, are Homo Sapiens. Science has shown though that we evolved into what we are.

Or to re-phrase this as I put on my hat as lover of God...science has shown through the window of evolution that God created His Homo Sapiens creation through an evolutionary process.


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[LifeToTheFullest!]

I disagree with your disagreement.

We are what we are today. Period!! And what we are, are Homo Sapiens. Science has shown though that we evolved into what we are.

Or to re-phrase this as I put on my hat as lover of God...science has shown through the window of evolution that God created His Homo Sapiens creation through an evolutionary process.


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Blasphemy! Heretic!

Five hundred years ago, you would have been tortured, and turned over for execution as a heretic, courtesy of the Roman Catholic church.