My Alcohol Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Pretty sure that for God, not you, to decide.

Evidently others have decided as well.

Have you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Evidently others have decided as well.

And when any of their decisions -- present company included -- are worth caring about, I'll care.

Have you?

As I am not a Christian, and don't concern myself with "sin," it's moot.

I, too, abstain from alcohol, AV -- but I don't need to fashion a God to follow my example.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes -- it was grape juice.

No. It was wine.

Jews drank wine at weddings, Jesus attended a wedding and turned water into wine.

Jews drank wine at the Passover Seder, Jesus drank wine at every Seder. Jesus took a cup of wine and declared of that cup of wine, "This is My blood of the covenant poured out for the forgiveness of sins." When Christians gathered to celebrate the Lord's Supper they drank wine--which is precisely why it was possible for the unruly Corinthians to have a situation where some were getting drunk at the Supper and sinning against Christ's body and blood.

Nothing you quote or say can change what is historical and biblical fact. You can claim drinking is a sin all day long, but you, AV1611, are not the arbiter of what is and is not sin. Not only has God not forbid drinking, on more than one occasion God commands the drinking of alcohol, such as in Deuteronomy 14, or again and most importantly for Christians: The institution of the Lord's Supper.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Kylie]

Yes -- it was grape juice.

Sure: WINE IN THE BIBLE: A BIBLICAL STUDY ON THE USE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES

Jesus drank wine, as in a fermented alcoholic drink.

Not juice.

Your link does not explain how Jesus could turn water into juice at the wedding and make everyone happy when the custom was to have wine. Your link does not explain how there could be juice that has not fermented into wine after half a year.

 

[Oafman]

"It was just grape juice" sounds like a line an alcoholic might say!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Don't argue with AV on the point -- his delusions are harmless, and in no danger of spreading.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can claim drinking is a sin all day long, but you, AV1611, are not the arbiter of what is and is not sin.

Is smoking a sin? taking crystal meth? murder? stealing?

 

[AV1611VET]

Jesus drank wine, as in a fermented alcoholic drink.

Not juice.

I disagree.

Your link does not explain how Jesus could turn water into juice at the wedding and make everyone happy when the custom was to have wine.

I'm sure those who drank this beverage had their taste buds satisfied.

I don't think anyone would have even noticed it didn't contain alcohol -- (or cared if they did).

Your link does not explain how there could be juice that has not fermented into wine after half a year.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

They drank it immediately, not six months later.

But even if they did, how it could have stayed grape juice after six months and not fermented would be easy to explain.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

 

[AV1611VET]

"It was just grape juice" sounds like a line an alcoholic might say!

I can't, for the life of me, understand why people would drink alcohol on their wedding day.

(Or any day, for that matter.)

 

[Oafman]

I can't, for the life of me, understand why people would drink alcohol on their wedding day.

(Or any day, for that matter.)

Even if it was, literally, the blood of Christ that they were drinking?

 

[AV1611VET]

Even if it was, literally, the blood of Christ that they were drinking?

I'm not a transubstantialist.

I'm a memorialist.

 

[Oafman]

I'm not a transubstantialist.

I'm a memorialist.

Actually this was a failing on the part of my Christian educators. I was taught to believe that in Anglicanism the Eucharist was considered to be entirely symbolic. It was years later that i learned about real presence.

To be honest, I'm not sure even my Sunday School teacher knew the difference!

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually this was a failing on the part of my Christian educators. I was taught to believe that in Anglicanism the Eucharist was considered to be entirely symbolic. It was years later that i learned about real presence.

To be honest, I'm not sure even my Sunday School teacher knew the difference!

There's also consubstantiation, which is a kind of mix between transubstantiation and memorialism.

 

[Oafman]

There's also consubstantiation, which is a kind of mix between transubstantiation and memorialism.

Sounds like fence-sitting to me!

 

[AV1611VET]

Sounds like fence-sitting to me!

No comment.

 

[contango]

I can't, for the life of me, understand why people would drink alcohol on their wedding day.

(Or any day, for that matter.)

I can't understand why anyone would listen to One Direction but people do, and it's not a sin to do it just because I happen to dislike it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can't understand why anyone would listen to One Direction but people do, and it's not a sin to do it just because I happen to dislike it.

Are you familiar with the Kennedy curse?

 

[crjmurray]

I can't, for the life of me, understand why people would drink alcohol on their wedding day.

(Or any day, for that matter.)

Which is why you probably aren't the best person to judge whether or not this passage means alcoholic wine.