My Abraham Challenge

[doubtingmerle]

In Abrahams case he didn't think he heard God but knew that he heard God.

How did Abraham know he heard God? How could he possibly know that the voice he was hearing was the God of the universe?

It's quite simple, if you hear a voice claiming to be God, and telling you to kill your son, don't do it.

 

[doubtingmerle]

GOD already said to those who allowed their children to pass through the fire that HE NEVER COMMANDED THIS NOR DID IT EVER ENTER HIS MIND.

You'll find this in judges or Jeremiah. I can't remember where

Google it

So if a book tells you that God commanded somebody to kill his son, that book is wrong?

Fine, Genesis is wrong.

 

[miknik5]

My boss is able to change my wages. Why couldn't an all powerful God also change the wages he pays? Who is forcing God to pay for sin with the wages of death?

One would think that an Almighty God could forgive, even if people didn't kill his Son. Why is it that God cannot forgive unless somebody kills his Son?

No one took HIS LIFE from HIM. HE willingly laid it down HE had the power to lay it down and to take it up again and this HE did for the sheep.

It was not a mistake
It was not a botched revolt

It was the fore planned will and work of GOD

 

[miknik5]

So if a book tells you that God commanded somebody to kill his son, that book is wrong?

Fine, Genesis is wrong.

GOD is GOD. There is nothing off or wrong in GOD or on HIS HOLY WORD

Only in those who do not have eyes to see and ears to hear

 

[miknik5]

When did GOD command someone to kill HIS SON?

 

[doubtingmerle]

So does mine.

Wait, what? You say this in response to, "My worldview precludes murder and human sacrifice."

So your worldview also precludes killing your son and sacrificing him?

Can I remind you that in a previous post you said:

If God told..commanded... me to slay my son..it would not be wrong.

My commitment has always been that.

So once again, if you are certain you hear God telling you to kill your son as a sacrifice, would you do it? You told me you would do it, but here you say your morality precludes human sacrifice. So which way is it? Would you kill him or wouldn't you?

 

[doubtingmerle]

When did GOD command someone to kill HIS SON?

Genesis 22:1-2

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold,here I am.
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of​

 

[miknik5]

Wait, what? You say this in response to, "My worldview precludes murder and human sacrifice."

So your worldview also precludes killing your son and sacrificing him?

Can I remind you that in a previous post you said:



So once again, if you are certain you hear God telling you to kill your son as a sacrifice, would you do it? You told me you would do it, but here you say your morality precludes human sacrifice. So which way is it? Would you kill him or wouldn't you?

Once again ....no. That one time reenactment of the sacrifice pointing us to CHRIST was just that

A sign prophesying of and pointing us to CHRIST

 

[miknik5]

Every WORD of scripture spoken in a hidden and veiled sense pointed us to the higher spiritual truth and realities found in CHRIST

For the very TESTIMONY of JESUS IS. THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

 

[doubtingmerle]

Once again ....no. That one time reenactment of the sacrifice pointing us to CHRIST was just that

Now you are complaining that I can only find one verse that commands somebody to kill his son? You had asked for one place. I gave you one place where it says God commanded somebody to kill his son.

Do I get a prize?

 

[miknik5]

Now you are complaining that I can only find one verse that commands somebody to kill his son? You had asked for one place. I gave you one place where it says God commanded somebody to kill his son.

Do I get a prize?

I'm waiting for that verse and you said GOD commanded someone to kill....HIS SON

I thought you were talking about THE SON OF GOD, meaning JESUS

 

[miknik5]

Now you are complaining that I can only find one verse that commands somebody to kill his son? You had asked for one place. I gave you one place where it says God commanded somebody to kill his son.

Do I get a prize?

Do you get a prize?

I don't know

Do you know the GIFT OF GOD

(reference John 4)

 

[doubtingmerle]

Every WORD of scripture spoken in a hidden and veiled sense pointed us to the higher spiritual truth and realities found in CHRIST

For the very TESTIMONY of JESUS IS. THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

And that reality is that God will not forgive us unless we first kill his son?

 

[miknik5]

And that reality is that God will not forgive us unless we first kill his son?

Oh boy. HIS SON already laid down the LIFE sir

Either we will be found covered by HIS blood or we will be found guilty of HIS BLOOD

 

[doubtingmerle]

Do you get a prize?

I don't know

Do you know the GIFT OF GOD

(reference John 4)

I was hoping for a prize for doing the assignment. You asked us to find a verse where it said God commanded somebody to kill his son. I found you a verse that said that. Do I get a prize?

Or at least a thank you?

 

[miknik5]

I was hoping for a prize for doing the assignment. You asked us to find a verse where it said God commanded somebody to kill his son. I found you a verse that said that. Do I get a prize?

Or at least a thank you?

Thank you. Now what?

Should we go around in circles and start again?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Oh boy. HIS SON already laid down the LIFE sir

Either we will be found covered by HIS blood or we will be found guilty of HIS BLOOD

I can forgive people, even if they are not covered in blood.

Why cannot your God forgive unless I am covered by his blood?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Thank you. Now what?

You are very welcome.

 

[miknik5]

I can forgive people, even if they are not covered in blood.

Why cannot your God forgive unless I am covered by his blood?

Because GOD is HOLY and man is not and GOD can not stand in the presence of sin. It is sin which separates us from a HOLY GOD

But GOD, in HIS GRACE, provided the ONE and ONLY WAY back into HIS PRESENCE by through and in HIS SON

And CHRIST alone is the ONE and ONLY acceptable and holy offering as well as the ONE and ONLY acceptable and holy PRESIDER before the Presence of GOD. For no man can come to THE FATHER except through THE SON. No man can enter into the HOLY of HOLIES except through THE TRUE VEIL which is HIS BODY

And to those who believe, when GOD looks upon those who have believed, HE sees HIS SON

To GOD, we are the aroma of CHRIST and we have the RIGHT GARMENT before the throne of GRACE

 

[miknik5]

I will say it again. All the rituals and temple practices pointed to and spoke of HIS SON