Muslims in a public forum

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Is Islam a religion that gags its Muslims from being critical ofthe Muslim community?

I am critical, very critical, but I am not gaged, I am blunt and willing to challenge even the elite of scholars if I see they are wrong. This era is different, we have total access to what Islamic scholars have access to.

I am indeed willing to die if be it so to challenge those whom people fear to challenge even my own.

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

EDIT !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Response to Bookofknowledge

Do you criticise any Islamic practice, anywhere?

I must be seeing things. So what if he did, what woudl you do post commentaries and website of those we criticize ?

I criticise some them, as you have encounted with me, so what now, are you going to come with commentaries etc ?

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

I now strongly suspect that it is part & parcel of current Fundamentalist Muslim groups as having the inability to critique the beliefs & behaviours of fellow Muslims.

Where have you been Kris_J was my classical intro done in vain ? Here is a VIP come on over to our threads Galilee and Montalband show downs with Oxy2Hydr0 about Islamic beliefs, I am sure you will find it entertaining.

 

[Kris_J]

Where have you been Kris_J was my classical intro done in vain ? Here is a VIP come on over to our threads Galilee and Montalband show downs with Oxy2Hydr0 about Islamic beliefs, I am sure you will find it entertaining.

Don't you mean that you & Bookofknowledge are having a Muslim V's Muslim for our viewing?

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

Naaa

 

[Kris_J]

Naaa

Why not after all that is what this thread is about?

Do you & BookofKnowledge agree on every belief each other has?

 

[Kris_J]

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I am critical, very critical, but I am not gaged, I am blunt and willing to challenge even the elite of scholars if I see they are wrong. This era is different, we have total access to what Islamic scholars have access to.

I am indeed willing to die if be it so to challenge those whom people fear to challenge even my own.

Show us where you have done challenged the beliefs of another Muslim. Thanks.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I am humbled by your believe in me and I admire your devotion by listening (reading) of my posts.

Ok sure.

I personally don't think I qualify for this award however with my deepest gratitude, I personally would like to say that there are more deserving candidates on this forum then me.

Nominate someone else with their moments please ...

I ased a question which was related directly or indirectly to topic inorder to fecilitate my own understanding hence I don't think I am a dodger of questions.

You dodged many trying to ask these questions, excuses are limitless.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

None of your business until you become moderator and when you become moderator you will asked to sit back and watch for a limited time because people make countries and law not their leaders or moderators meaing laws and forums change...

What are you even saying here? Mods already placed a "REPORT" button on the bottom of posts, that is there for a reason! To report messups such as yours. So don't tell me my business. Stop arguing and accept responsibility.

There is nothing wrong with speaking in public what one believes. Let him speak of his heart and with reagrds to the dispute in Jesus let every christian know that Allah has made it easy for muslims.

You didn't let him, you posted his PM without his permission, this is against the rules, what are you still trying to prove, there is nothing gray here, it is black and white! Allah apparently made something like you, with no respect to others, and uncapable of accepting responsibility for wrong doing. Allah doesn't like wrongdoers my friend.

If you believe Allah is not the real God and your God is the real then be sure your God will not allow a curse because God is all powerful hence you shouldn't have any problem accepting the challenge.

My friend, Christians are way PAST that curse deal you keep bringing up. If Jesus would have taken up any challenge, he would not have died on the cross. Our point is not the challenge, there is no need to challenge something which is already beaten. Your challenge is not of good but of evil.

You are trying to make me bow without my will and you say Jesus taught you how to be humble?

I am not trying anything, I am suggesting, I am not muslim don't forget, I don't force things. Read correctly, your false comprehension causes threads go on forever.

How do I know what Jesus said and done am I not on a christian forum? and open Qur'aan and Hadith... My biggest reference is you and your words and your acts.

Humans are fallible and not trustable, but Only God, none of us is Christ. So what if you are on a Christian forum. You can not know Jesus from a 650 AD fiction book, you can know him from his actual followers account.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

You dodged many trying to ask these questions, excuses are limitless.

I have always asked questions and I have millions of questions, the thing is I am little bit aware of human nature and how it works.

I don't think it's dodged skills when I ask questions, if they don't have the ability to maintain the topic - it's not my problem.

Here is a secret - all I do is bring the issue in 3d. People here ask questions assuming it's one track lane but am sorry it's not. people on this forum assume too much expecting they will question and their questions will be answered just like that?

No two persons are alike and definately not me.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

You didn't let him, you posted his PM without his permission, this is against the rules, what are you still trying to prove, there is nothing gray here, it is black and white! Allah apparently made something like you, with no respect to others, and uncapable of accepting responsibility for wrong doing. Allah doesn't like wrongdoers my friend.

I have told you many times it is none of your business yet you continue to bring this topic. Let him speak of his heart and I will talk to him.

You have already said enough on rules of this forum... So you agree Allah made something like me not your God?

My friend, Christians are way PAST that curse deal you keep bringing up. If Jesus would have taken up any challenge, he would not have died on the cross. Our point is not the challenge, there is no need to challenge something which is already beaten. Your challenge is not of good but of evil.

I don't believe Jesus died on the cross but you do, I don't believe God will kill himself in the sight of what He has created to forgive what he has created.

according to you, Jesus is your God and you claim Jesus is the real God...Even though Jesus is not on earth with you don't you believe He is watching you and protecting you?

Now do you believe any harm can come to you from your God? Do you believe your God doesn't see you as His people and will not protect you from a curse? Do you believe someone can put a curse on christians who are protected by Jesus?

Humans are fallible and not trustable, but Only God, none of us is Christ. So what if you are on a Christian forum. You can not know Jesus from a 650 AD fiction book, you can know him from his actual followers account.

Look If Jesus was real God and he gave his life for the SIN's of people then you all are free of SIN and you should know your Jesus will protect you even if you Invoke God of Abraham to Curse those who are liars - am I right or wrong?

 

[Kris_J]

Due to the lack of Muslim responses to the question on whether Muslim teaching gags the Muslims - which again is evidence of the OP, it seems that from my readings Muslims are silent in addressing the OP because they are afraid & would rather be a devil without a tongue than criticise their fellow Muslims.
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"Abd Allah bin Yusuf al-Ispahani informed us ... through Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of God said, "Whoever believes in God and the last day, let him not trouble his neighbor. Whoever believes in God and the last day, let him be generous to his guest. Whoever believes in God and the last day, let him say what is good, or let him be silent."

Ali bin Ahmad bin Abdan informed us ... that Ukbah bin Amir said,"I asked, 'O Messenger of God, what is salvation?' He said, 'Keep your tongue to yourself, stay home, and weep over your sins.'"

Silence is security. That is the root of the matter. This can be cause for remorse on occasions when keeping quiet is blameworthy. What is necessary is that one choose speech or silence according to the divine law and the obligation of a Muslim to command what is good and forbid what is evil. To say nothing at the proper time is a characteristic of true men, just as to speak at the proper occasion is one of the noblest of qualities. I heard Abu Ali al-Daqqaq say, "Whoever holds back from speaking the truth is a devil without a tongue."
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:SG1O1ZGBax8J:forums.muslimvillage.net/lofiversion/index.php/t1071.html+speak+evil+allah&hl=en
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Silence is security. Sounds to me like Muslims who do not speak what they feel against injustice done by Muslims are cowards.

 

[Kris_J]

If Muslims in CF seem to not understand the concept of a public forum then why don't you show your generosity by accepting their ideas of public forum and continue with the debate rather then continually acting upon something which muslims don't like?

are you going to continue with something which can be mutually agreed upon or you going to continue with a perticular style of debate. Do you want to be a representative of Islam when you don't follow Islam? Why don't you limit yourself to questions instead of answering the questions of a faith which you don't follow?

It seems to me you are making up your own rules. Sorry - I don't want to treat you as intellectually handicapped that cannot comprehend why you are afraid to publicly critique other Muslims.

Please address the OP.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Those who assume my way as highway should know Islam doesn't treat those who are oppressed similar to those who are capable to fight for justice and yet they choose to surrender to oppressors and injustice for no reason.

 

[Kris_J]

Those who assume my way as highway should know Islam doesn't treat those who are oppressed similar to those who are capable to fight for justice and yet they choose to surrender to oppressors and injustice for no reason.

Care to explain why you are silent then on the execution of gays or sexually active unmarried women in Iran?

You haven't expressed support or condemned them either in gay/teen execution thread.

In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself. She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims.

 

[Kris_J]

Here is a reason why Muslims in Iran would keep quite about injustice done by fellow Muslims:

“But she never dared even to talk about it to anyone. Tell your teachers? They’ll call you a harlot. Tell the police? They lock you up and rape you. Better keep your mouth shut.” http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=137

So why would Muslims in western countries keep quite about such an injustice in Iran?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

I know what happen to the people of Prophet Lut (AS) so there is no doubt in me saying I am not going to support the people who act similar to those people who received punishment by God.

Iran is a country and Islam is a deen (way of life), now those who accept a culture of a country not Islam then I am sorry they will be trangressors in the sight of God unless they have received a promise from God Himself and as far as I know no such promise was revealed through Prophet Muhammad (SAW).


81:7
when the souls will be reunited with the bodies;

81:8
when the infant girls buried alive (here reference is made to the Pre-Islamic Arab custom of burying new born girls alive) will be questioned

81:9
for what sin she was killed;

 

[Kris_J]

Just humour us & say whether you support or condemn the execution. thanks.
& tell us why did you not say so in the gay teen thread?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Just humour us & say whether you support or condemn the execution. thanks.
& tell us why did you not say so in the gay teen thread?

Why should I say so on that thread - when Jews and Christians know for a fact what sin people of Prophet Lut (AS) were punished.

With regards to the girl - I do not want to comment on something which is hidden from me. I do not know the status of that girl in the sight of God and I do not know the status of that religious judge in the sight of God.

If the girl is innocent in the sight of God then the religious judge will be questioned on Day of Judgement for what sin she was killed; and will not be spared.