Muhammad Ali, is he really as great.....

[bhsmte]

I am sure they don't but I have never seen anyone when confronted with the scriptures against homosexuality be able to show any scripture that refutes that position. They offer their opinion, feelings, legal rulings, etc.....but no scripture; the only thing they can do is simply disagree with it ......because.........

Probably the same reason some christians dont believe other things that are clearly stated in the bible.

 

[MennoSota]

Do all christians agree with your interpretations of the bible?

What does the Bible say, bhsmte? This isn't tough. Even if you can't read, you can listen to the Bible being read.

Please point out any passage in the Bible that directly approves of same sex sexual behavior. I will wait for you to share it with us.

 

[MennoSota]

Probably the same reason some christians dont believe other things that are clearly stated in the bible.

We humans are notorious for trying to excuse our actions. Adam and Eve did it in the garden and all their children after them have looked for an excuse to their sinful behavior.
We have no excuse before God.

 

[Tallguy88]

So you saying we can destroy country's for no reason at all. Poor orange agent stuff all over their land. Kill their people and cause their babies to be deformed. And its bad because some feels it's wrong to not fight against that country. I'm not sure why the US wasn't charged with many war crimes. I have no idea what the US laws have to do with the bible or Karan. To me a persons religion or morals would supersede a war. Oh and the government seen the same thing and left him alone.

This isn't a response to anything I said. I simply quoted the law on contientious objection.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The Bible speaks for all Christians. Read it. The Bible is very clear that homosexual sex is sin. These are facts that are undeniable.

It's also pretty clear they are to be put to death.

 

[MennoSota]

It's also pretty clear they are to be put to death.

If you are in Israel and live under the Mosaic Covenant, yes. Do Christians live under the Mosaic Covenant?

 

[civilwarbuff]

It's also pretty clear they are to be put to death.

In the OT they were because people were under the Law, not Grace.....

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If you are in Israel and live under the Mosaic Covenant, yes.

All one would need is for it to say it and them to misunderstand or ignore your caveat above. The point is, your book says to put them to death.

 

[civilwarbuff]

All one would need is for it to say it and them to misunderstand or ignore your caveat above. The point is, your book says to put them to death.

If you live under the Law, you are judged under the Law. You don't want to suffer from the Law, don't break the Law. Kinda like if you can't do the time don;'t do the crime......

 

[MennoSota]

All one would need is for it to say it and them to misunderstand or ignore your caveat above. The point is, your book says to put them to death.

Yep, God told the Israelites to kill those who walked in disobedience to His command in regard to sexual sin. He is a holy God who expects holiness from His people. Pagans and atheists are left to die in their own sins. As long as you stayed out of Israel and didn't claim to be a part of the chosen people, you could live deviantly in another land.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If you are in Israel and live under the Mosaic Covenant, yes. Do Christians live under the Mosaic Covenant?

Nice to know the Bible has a jurisdiction.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yep, God told the Israelites to kill those who walked in disobedience to His command in regard to sexual sin. He is a holy God who expects holiness from His people. Pagans and atheists are left to die in their own sins. As long as you stayed out of Israel and didn't claim to be a part of the chosen people, you could live deviantly in another land.

So why won't the Christians here (notably not in Israel) shut up about it?

 

[MennoSota]

So why won't the Christians here (notably not in Israel) shut up about it?

Why won't the non-Christians admit homosexual behavior is a sin?
The Christian writings in the Bible also tell us that homosexuality is a sin which Christians are not to be engaged. We acknowledge this.
If it bothers you, perhaps it's your conscience.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why won't the non-Christians admit homosexual behavior is a sin?

Because "sin" is a Christian fabrication that non-Christians are not obligated to humor.

The Christian writings in the Bible also tell us that homosexuality is a sin which Christians are not to be engaged. We acknowledge this.

Fine then -- don't be gay.

While you're at it, stop treating the people who are like garbage.

 

[MennoSota]

Because "sin" is a Christian fabrication that non-Christians are not obligated to humor.



Fine then -- don't be gay.

While you're at it, stop treating the people who are like garbage.

No one is forcing you to engage with Christians. You are choosing to engage.

I don't think of human sinners as garbage. That's your projection. We are either guilty sinners by our own actions or pardoned sinners by God's grace.

Are you guilty or pardoned?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No one is forcing you to engage with Christians. You are choosing to engage.

True, but this isn't about me. It's about your desire to control others' behavior.

I don't think of human sinners as garbage.

Your words suggest otherwise.

We are either guilty sinners by our own actions or pardoned sinners by God's grace.

Are you guilty or pardoned?

Neither -- your kangaroo court has no jurisdiction over me.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Why won't the non-Christians admit homosexual behavior is a sin?

Because we're non-Christians who don't believe sin. Obviously.

You don't seem to take Islam very seriously. Why should I take Christianity seriously?

 

[MennoSota]

Because we're non-Christians who don't believe sin. Obviously.

You don't seem to take Islam very seriously. Why should I take Christianity seriously?

Failure to acknowledge sin does not mean it does not exist. It means you choose to run from reality.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Failure to acknowledge sin does not mean it does not exist. It means you choose to run from reality.

What reality is that? Yours, or the Bible's?

 

[MennoSota]

What reality is that? Yours, or the Bible's?

Both

I cannot help it if you choose to live in the Matrix.