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Deren said:
If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?

In the Name of Allah! Most beneficial, the most merciful.

Hi Deren thank you for enquiring about Islam!

First let's begin with the basic of Islam Click Here.

As a muslim we can't lie about Islam!

Islam has the proof for everything that it teaches!
A. The Quran! Click Here
Quran" is another word that you might explain to them. Let them understand that the Quran is not a book and that it is actually "alive" today in the hearts of over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims around the world. This is a real miracle. There is no other book like it. No book can compare to it and no other major religion today has their original preserved in the original language by so many followers of the religion. Click Here!

B. Teaching of Muhhamed Click Here!

Let's see what Islam mean's!

ISLAM" - Explain to them that "Islam" can be understood both, as a verb and as a noun. As a noun, it is the religion that was completed by Allah for all human beings 1,400 years ago. The message came with Muhammad, peace be upon him, in the Arabic language.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a verb, the word "Islam" means the surrender, submission, obedience and peace in sincerity with Allah.[/FONT]

The word Muslim comes from the word Islam itself. And the Arabic uses a prefix to the verb rather than a suffix to indicate the one who is preforming the verb or action. So instead of being an "Islam-er" we are "Mu-islims" (Muslim).


The word (Click)Allah " comes from the root "elah" and the plural is "awliha." When the article "the" is placed in front of "elah" in Arabic, it becomes "Al-lah." In this state the word can no longer be made plural, nor can it be associated with gender. That is to say, that "Allah" can actually be used to represent the meaning of "One only to be worshipped, never plural, always singular and never man nor woman.

Now you asked, how we atone for are sin, first we don't believe in original sin, as no one is responsible for another's sin, if adam sinned, he never asked me for it, for why should I pay for it! As adam turned to Allah and asked forgiveness in repentance and he was forgiven!

Next you asked that how the day to day sin we commit may be forgiven. Well in Islam, if one who sincerely repent to Allah, by praying to him, and show's it he mean's it by trying not to do it again. He is forgiven for his sin. Asked Allah for forgiveness with love and sincerity and allah will forgive you! His the all merciful and forgivefull!

Here's English Rendering of Surah 1.


1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. 6. Show us the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.


Allah(swt) rather forgive you than punish you if you turn towards him with sincerity and honesty and only ask him!

Peace!

 
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SaLaam ALL :wave:

An Action Cannot be an act Of worship Unless It Includes two things: Complete Love & Complete Humility.

ALLAH Says:

(AL-Baqarah 2:165) "But those who Believe, Love ALLAH more than anything else"

(AL-Mu’minoon 23:57) "Verily, those who live in awe for fear of their Lord"

And ALLAH Mentions them together in The Aayah BeLow:

(AL-Anbiya 21:90) "Verily, they used to Hasten on to do Good deeds, and they used to call on Us with Hope and Fear, and used to Humble themselves before Us"

Once this is Understood, we will Realize that worship Can Only be accepted From a Muslim who Believes in ALLAH ALone, as ALLAH says:

(AL-Furqaan 25:23) "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (Disbelievers, Polytheists, Sinners) did, and We shall make Such deeds as Scattered Floating particles Of dust"

In Saheeh Muslim (214) It is Narrated that "Aa’ishah" (May Allaah BPWH) Said: "I said, ‘O Messenger Of Allaah, during the Jaahiliyyah, Ibn Jud’aan used to Uphold the ties Of Kinship And Feed the Poor. Will that Avail Him Anything ? He said (PBUH): It will not Avail Him anything because He never Said: "O ALLAH, Forgive me my Sins on the Day of Judgement" – i.e He did not Believe in the resurrection Or do good deeds hoping to meet Allaah"

Moreover, the Muslim’s worship will not Be accepted Unless It meets two Basic Conditions:

  1. Sincerity Of Intention towards ALLAH, which means that the Person’s Intention in All His words & deeds, Both Outward and Inward, is to Seek the PLeasure Of ALLAH & None Other.
  2. It Should be in accordance with the "Sharee’ah" which ALLAH has Prescribed, and He Should not worship ALLAH in any Other way. That is Achieved by Following the Prophet (PBUH), and what He brought, and Shunning anything that Goes against It, and not Inventing any new Form of worship that Has not been Narrated in Sound reports from the Prophet (PBUH).
The Evidence For these two Conditions is the Aayah:

(al-Kahf 18:110) "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work Righteousness and Associate none as a partner in the worship Of His Lord"

Ibn Katheer Said: "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with His Lord" means His reward; "Let Him work Righteousness" means, that which is in Accordance with the Laws Of ALLAh; "And Associate none as a partner in the Worship of His Lord" This means seeking the Face Of ALLAH alone, with No partner or associate.

These two conditions are the Basis Of Acceptable deeds, which must Be Sincerely For the Sake Of ALLAH ALone & correct according to the "Sharee’ah" Of the Messenger Of Allaah (PBUH)

I Hope this Answers your Question


Kind Regards
 
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Deren said:
If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?

thousands of years have passed from the time of Adam antill the alleged crucifiction. why did God wait all that time?
what about the billions of people who died before?
whay is it that ther no mention of the sin in the OT?
why is it that Jesus being God as you believe did allow that sin to happen whould would have saved him from the trajic end which your Book claims?
why is it that no prophet talked about the sin?
why is it that the Jews who are the people of the OT never accepted the alleged sin or the redemption? do you know their Book better than them?

your book denies the sin and redemption as seen in:-

Deut 24 : 16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


Isia 43 :11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


Isiah 45 : 21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Jerem 31: 29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.

031:030 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.



As for the Muslim way of salvation we have to do all what Gad ordered us to do, and stay away from all HE has warned us against.
In case we did what HE has warned us against, we have to repent , and ask HIM for forgiveness, and we shall get it.

As for people who never heard about Islam the ALLJUST, ALLMERCIFULL GOD will introduce it to them on the Day of Judgment in a way as if they were on earth , and He will judge them according to their reaction towards it.
it is what the Bible says in here:


Mat 3 : 8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Izek 18 : 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

018:021 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 018:022 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Isia 55: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

 
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Skillganon said:
In the Name of Allah! Most beneficial, the most merciful.

Hi Deren thank you for enquiring about Islam!

First let's begin with the basic of Islam Click Here.

As a muslim we can't lie about Islam!

Islam has the proof for everything that it teaches!
A. The Quran! Click Here
Quran" is another word that you might explain to them. Let them understand that the Quran is not a book and that it is actually "alive" today in the hearts of over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims around the world. This is a real miracle. There is no other book like it. No book can compare to it and no other major religion today has their original preserved in the original language by so many followers of the religion. Click Here!

B. Teaching of Muhhamed Click Here!

Let's see what Islam mean's!

ISLAM" - Explain to them that "Islam" can be understood both, as a verb and as a noun. As a noun, it is the religion that was completed by Allah for all human beings 1,400 years ago. The message came with Muhammad, peace be upon him, in the Arabic language.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a verb, the word "Islam" means the surrender, submission, obedience and peace in sincerity with Allah.[/FONT]​

The word Muslim comes from the word Islam itself. And the Arabic uses a prefix to the verb rather than a suffix to indicate the one who is preforming the verb or action. So instead of being an "Islam-er" we are "Mu-islims" (Muslim).


The word (Click)Allah " comes from the root "elah" and the plural is "awliha." When the article "the" is placed in front of "elah" in Arabic, it becomes "Al-lah." In this state the word can no longer be made plural, nor can it be associated with gender. That is to say, that "Allah" can actually be used to represent the meaning of "One only to be worshipped, never plural, always singular and never man nor woman.

Now you asked, how we atone for are sin, first we don't believe in original sin, as no one is responsible for another's sin, if adam sinned, he never asked me for it, for why should I pay for it! As adam turned to Allah and asked forgiveness in repentance and he was forgiven!

Next you asked that how the day to day sin we commit may be forgiven. Well in Islam, if one who sincerely repent to Allah, by praying to him, and show's it he mean's it by trying not to do it again. He is forgiven for his sin. Asked Allah for forgiveness with love and sincerity and allah will forgive you! His the all merciful and forgivefull!

Here's English Rendering of Surah 1.



1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. 6. Show us the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.


Allah(swt) rather forgive you than punish you if you turn towards him with sincerity and honesty and only ask him!

Peace!

Ummmm...I asked a fairly simple, straightforward question, and you give me this?:scratch:
 
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ALRAJY said:
SaLaam ALL :wave:


An Action Cannot be an act Of worship Unless It Includes two things: Complete Love & Complete Humility.

ALLAH Says:

(AL-Baqarah 2:165) "But those who Believe, Love ALLAH more than anything else"

(AL-Mu’minoon 23:57) "Verily, those who live in awe for fear of their Lord"

And ALLAH Mentions them together in The Aayah BeLow:

(AL-Anbiya 21:90) "Verily, they used to Hasten on to do Good deeds, and they used to call on Us with Hope and Fear, and used to Humble themselves before Us"

Once this is Understood, we will Realize that worship Can Only be accepted From a Muslim who Believes in ALLAH ALone, as ALLAH says:

(AL-Furqaan 25:23) "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (Disbelievers, Polytheists, Sinners) did, and We shall make Such deeds as Scattered Floating particles Of dust"

In Saheeh Muslim (214) It is Narrated that "Aa’ishah" (May Allaah BPWH) Said: "I said, ‘O Messenger Of Allaah, during the Jaahiliyyah, Ibn Jud’aan used to Uphold the ties Of Kinship And Feed the Poor. Will that Avail Him Anything ? He said (PBUH): It will not Avail Him anything because He never Said: "O ALLAH, Forgive me my Sins on the Day of Judgement" – i.e He did not Believe in the resurrection Or do good deeds hoping to meet Allaah"

Moreover, the Muslim’s worship will not Be accepted Unless It meets two Basic Conditions:

  1. Sincerity Of Intention towards ALLAH, which means that the Person’s Intention in All His words & deeds, Both Outward and Inward, is to Seek the PLeasure Of ALLAH & None Other.
  2. It Should be in accordance with the "Sharee’ah" which ALLAH has Prescribed, and He Should not worship ALLAH in any Other way. That is Achieved by Following the Prophet (PBUH), and what He brought, and Shunning anything that Goes against It, and not Inventing any new Form of worship that Has not been Narrated in Sound reports from the Prophet (PBUH).
The Evidence For these two Conditions is the Aayah:

(al-Kahf 18:110) "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work Righteousness and Associate none as a partner in the worship Of His Lord"

Ibn Katheer Said: "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with His Lord" means His reward; "Let Him work Righteousness" means, that which is in Accordance with the Laws Of ALLAh; "And Associate none as a partner in the Worship of His Lord" This means seeking the Face Of ALLAH alone, with No partner or associate.

These two conditions are the Basis Of Acceptable deeds, which must Be Sincerely For the Sake Of ALLAH ALone & correct according to the "Sharee’ah" Of the Messenger Of Allaah (PBUH)

I Hope this Answers your Question


Kind Regards

Actually, no, it doesn't answer my question. I'm not asking about acceptable deeds, worship, and all the clutter that you've provided above. I'm asking about how your sin is atoned for if Jesus didn't go to the cross to die in your behalf. Do you have an answer to that question?
 
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As for the Muslim way of salvation we have to do all what Gad ordered us to do, and stay away from all HE has warned us against.


About the only thing I could discern that had anything to do with my question was the above statement. Therefore, let me ask in reference to what you've said above: Just what did you do to atone for your sin, since you seem to be advocating that God commanded you to do something to earn your salvation?
 
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Actually, no, it doesn't answer my question. I'm not asking about acceptable deeds, worship, and all the clutter that you've provided above. I'm asking about how your sin is atoned for if Jesus didn't go to the cross to die in your behalf. Do you have an answer to that question?
I don't think the muslim understand the OT/OC definition of atonement.

(Young) Isaiah 28:18 And atoned #03722] hath been your covenant with death, And your provision with Sheol doth not stand, An overflowing scourge, when it passeth over, Then ye have been to it for a treading-place.

Ezekiel 45:17 And on the prince are the burnt-offerings, and the present, and the libation, in feasts, and in new moons, and in sabbaths, in all appointed times of the house of Israel: he doth make the sin-offering, and the present, and the burnt-offering, and the peace-offerings, to make atonement [#03722] for the house of Israel.

3722 kaphar kaw-far' a primitive root; to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively, to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel:-- appease, make (an atonement, cleanse, disannul, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, purge (away), put off, (make) reconcile(-liation).
 
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Hi Deren, the answer to your opening question was given by Skillganon.

Next you asked that how the day to day sin we commit may be forgiven. Well in Islam, if one who sincerely repent to Allah, by praying to him, and show's it he mean's it by trying not to do it again. He is forgiven for his sin. Asked Allah for forgiveness with love and sincerity and allah will forgive you! His the all merciful and forgivefull!

This answer shows that Allah merely forgives when one sincerely repents through prayer. If God is all powerful and merciful why cannot he merely forgive those who ask for forgiveness?
 
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Daniel_Oak said:
Hi Deren, the answer to your opening question was given by Skillganon.
This answer shows that Allah merely forgives when one sincerely repents through prayer. If God is all powerful and merciful why cannot he merely forgive those who ask for forgiveness?
Then why was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT:scratch:

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];

Revelation 2:18 " And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ' These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:............

http://www.christianforums.com/t2906611-why-was-jesus-sent-by-god-into-the-world.html
 
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Deren said:
If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?

12:97
They said: "Father! Pray for the forgiveness for our sins. We have indeed done wrong."

12:98
He replied: "Soon I will ask my Rabb for your forgiveness; surely He is the One who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

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2:199
Then return from where the others return and ask Allah's forgiveness; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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27:46
Saleh said: "O my people! Why do you wish to hasten towards evil rather than good? Why do you not ask forgiveness of Allah so that you may be shown mercy?"

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48:11
The beduin Arabs who stayed behind will soon say to you: "Our goods and families kept us occupied, so please ask forgiveness for us." They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Tell them: "Who can intervene on your behalf with Allah if it be His will to do you harm or He pleases to do you good? Allah is well aware of your actions.

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9:80
O Prophet! It is the same, whether you ask forgiveness for them or not; even if you ask for their forgiveness seventy times, Allah is not going to forgive them: because they have disbelieved Allah and His Rasool. Allah does not guide those who are transgressors.

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13:6
They ask you to hasten on the evil (Allah's scourge) rather than the good, although there have been instances of exemplary punishments before them. In fact your Rabb is the Lord of Forgiveness to the people, notwithstanding their wrongdoing; and it is also the fact that your Rabb is stern in retribution.

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17:15
He that seeks guidance, shall be guided to his own advantage, but he that goes astray does so to his own loss. No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgement. And during your worldly life, We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood.
 
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If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
Bookofknowledge said:
12:97
They said: "Father! Pray for the forgiveness for our sins. We have indeed done wrong."
12:98
He replied: "Soon I will ask my Rabb for your forgiveness; surely He is the One who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
17:15
He that seeks guidance, shall be guided to his own advantage, but he that goes astray does so to his own loss. No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgement. And during your worldly life, We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood.
That still didn't answer our question.

Then why was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT:scratch:

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];

(Young) Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
That still didn't answer our question.

11:90
seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is indeed Merciful, Affectionate."

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3:135
who, if they commit an indecency or wrong their own souls, earnestly remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins; for no one can forgive sins except Allah, and those who do not knowingly persist in something wrong which they have done.

3:136
Such people will be rewarded with forgiveness from their Rabb plus gardens beneath which the rivers flow, to live therein forever. How excellent is the reward for such laborers!

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11:3
You should seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; He will grant you good provisions till an appointed term, and bestow His grace on everyone who has merit! But if you turn away (pay no heed), I fear for you the punishment of a Great Day.

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11:52
And O my people! Seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance. He will send you from the sky abundant rain and He will add strength to your strength. So do not turn away like criminals."

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11:61
To the Thamud people, We sent their brother Saleh. He said: "O my people! Worship Allah, you have no god but Him. It is He Who created you from the Earth and made it a dwelling place for you. So seek forgiveness from Him and turn to Him in repentance. Surely my Rabb is very close, ready to answer."


LittleLambofJesus said:
Then why was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT

Why Jesus was sent? Read my friend and ponder the last verse says "We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood."
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
11:90
seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is indeed Merciful, Affectionate."
11:61
To the Thamud people, We sent their brother Saleh. He said: "O my people! Worship Allah, you have no god but Him. It is He Who created you from the Earth and made it a dwelling place for you. So seek forgiveness from Him and turn to Him in repentance. Surely my Rabb is very close, ready to answer."
Again, you did not answer the question. W hy was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT:scratch: He is the only Name and Mediator between Man and God, not a Rabb!!!!!

(Young) Hebrews 12:24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];

(Young) Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
Again, you did not answer the question. W hy was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT He is the only Name and Mediator between Man and God, not a Rabb!!!!!

Again, you have ignored the verse which says

"No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgement. And during your worldly life,..."

AND

"We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood."

Read me now with open eyes! if you have a verse in your bible which says "No bearer shall bear the burden of another" and you own version of OT says Jesus took away sin then it contradicts and I a not authorized to accept your version of OT.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
11:90
seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is indeed Merciful, Affectionate."

"We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood."

Read me now with open eyes! if you have a verse in your bible which says "No bearer shall bear the burden of another" and you own verse of OT says Jesus took away sin then it contradicts and I a not authorized to accept your version of OT.
The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!! Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.

(Young) Hebrews 8:12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --

(Young) Hebrews 12:24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];

(Young) Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!!

priest do not have the authority to forgive though they can ask forgivenss on behalf of the person who came to them, however It is only God who forgive sins.

LittleLambofJesus said:
Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.

"We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood"
 
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The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!! Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.

(Young) Hebrews 8:12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --

(Young) Hebrews 12:24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];

(Young) Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
Bookofknowledge said:
priest do not have the authority to forgive though they can ask forgivenss on behalf of the person who came to them, however It is only God who forgive sins.
"We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood"
Yes, we read the Scriptures to distinquish Truth and Falseness. So again. Why did God send Jesus the Christ?

(Young) John 5:39 `Ye search the Writings/Scriptures, because ye think in them to have life age-during, and these are they that are testifying concerning me;

Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .
 
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Muslims don't understand the old testament, or better yet know about it Deren. Atonement to them is as follows:


-If the sin is too great, either you are forgiven freely if you're repentant, or punished if unrepentant and the victim wants revenge

-If the sin is not too great, you can atone either by freeing a slave, making financial compensation, or praying and fasting if you are too poor.
 
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