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If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
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Deren said:If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
Deren said:If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
Skillganon said:In the Name of Allah! Most beneficial, the most merciful.
Hi Deren thank you for enquiring about Islam!
First let's begin with the basic of Islam Click Here.
As a muslim we can't lie about Islam!
Islam has the proof for everything that it teaches!
A. The Quran! Click Here
Quran" is another word that you might explain to them. Let them understand that the Quran is not a book and that it is actually "alive" today in the hearts of over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims around the world. This is a real miracle. There is no other book like it. No book can compare to it and no other major religion today has their original preserved in the original language by so many followers of the religion. Click Here!
B. Teaching of Muhhamed Click Here!
Let's see what Islam mean's!
ISLAM" - Explain to them that "Islam" can be understood both, as a verb and as a noun. As a noun, it is the religion that was completed by Allah for all human beings 1,400 years ago. The message came with Muhammad, peace be upon him, in the Arabic language.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a verb, the word "Islam" means the surrender, submission, obedience and peace in sincerity with Allah.[/FONT]
The word Muslim comes from the word Islam itself. And the Arabic uses a prefix to the verb rather than a suffix to indicate the one who is preforming the verb or action. So instead of being an "Islam-er" we are "Mu-islims" (Muslim).
The word (Click)Allah " comes from the root "elah" and the plural is "awliha." When the article "the" is placed in front of "elah" in Arabic, it becomes "Al-lah." In this state the word can no longer be made plural, nor can it be associated with gender. That is to say, that "Allah" can actually be used to represent the meaning of "One only to be worshipped, never plural, always singular and never man nor woman.
Now you asked, how we atone for are sin, first we don't believe in original sin, as no one is responsible for another's sin, if adam sinned, he never asked me for it, for why should I pay for it! As adam turned to Allah and asked forgiveness in repentance and he was forgiven!
Next you asked that how the day to day sin we commit may be forgiven. Well in Islam, if one who sincerely repent to Allah, by praying to him, and show's it he mean's it by trying not to do it again. He is forgiven for his sin. Asked Allah for forgiveness with love and sincerity and allah will forgive you! His the all merciful and forgivefull!
Here's English Rendering of Surah 1.
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. 6. Show us the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Allah(swt) rather forgive you than punish you if you turn towards him with sincerity and honesty and only ask him!
Peace!
ALRAJY said:SaLaam ALL
An Action Cannot be an act Of worship Unless It Includes two things: Complete Love & Complete Humility.
ALLAH Says:
(AL-Baqarah 2:165) "But those who Believe, Love ALLAH more than anything else"
(AL-Muminoon 23:57) "Verily, those who live in awe for fear of their Lord"
And ALLAH Mentions them together in The Aayah BeLow:
(AL-Anbiya 21:90) "Verily, they used to Hasten on to do Good deeds, and they used to call on Us with Hope and Fear, and used to Humble themselves before Us"
Once this is Understood, we will Realize that worship Can Only be accepted From a Muslim who Believes in ALLAH ALone, as ALLAH says:
(AL-Furqaan 25:23) "And We shall turn to whatever deeds they (Disbelievers, Polytheists, Sinners) did, and We shall make Such deeds as Scattered Floating particles Of dust"
In Saheeh Muslim (214) It is Narrated that "Aaishah" (May Allaah BPWH) Said: "I said, O Messenger Of Allaah, during the Jaahiliyyah, Ibn Judaan used to Uphold the ties Of Kinship And Feed the Poor. Will that Avail Him Anything ? He said (PBUH): It will not Avail Him anything because He never Said: "O ALLAH, Forgive me my Sins on the Day of Judgement" i.e He did not Believe in the resurrection Or do good deeds hoping to meet Allaah"
Moreover, the Muslims worship will not Be accepted Unless It meets two Basic Conditions:
Sincerity Of Intention towards ALLAH, which means that the Persons Intention in All His words & deeds, Both Outward and Inward, is to Seek the PLeasure Of ALLAH & None Other. It Should be in accordance with the "Shareeah" which ALLAH has Prescribed, and He Should not worship ALLAH in any Other way. That is Achieved by Following the Prophet (PBUH), and what He brought, and Shunning anything that Goes against It, and not Inventing any new Form of worship that Has not been Narrated in Sound reports from the Prophet (PBUH). The Evidence For these two Conditions is the Aayah:
(al-Kahf 18:110) "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work Righteousness and Associate none as a partner in the worship Of His Lord"
Ibn Katheer Said: "So whoever Hopes for the Meeting with His Lord" means His reward; "Let Him work Righteousness" means, that which is in Accordance with the Laws Of ALLAh; "And Associate none as a partner in the Worship of His Lord" This means seeking the Face Of ALLAH alone, with No partner or associate.
These two conditions are the Basis Of Acceptable deeds, which must Be Sincerely For the Sake Of ALLAH ALone & correct according to the "Shareeah" Of the Messenger Of Allaah (PBUH)
I Hope this Answers your Question
Kind Regards
the-fact-is said:As for the Muslim way of salvation we have to do all what Gad ordered us to do, and stay away from all HE has warned us against.
I don't think the muslim understand the OT/OC definition of atonement.Actually, no, it doesn't answer my question. I'm not asking about acceptable deeds, worship, and all the clutter that you've provided above. I'm asking about how your sin is atoned for if Jesus didn't go to the cross to die in your behalf. Do you have an answer to that question?
Next you asked that how the day to day sin we commit may be forgiven. Well in Islam, if one who sincerely repent to Allah, by praying to him, and show's it he mean's it by trying not to do it again. He is forgiven for his sin. Asked Allah for forgiveness with love and sincerity and allah will forgive you! His the all merciful and forgivefull!
Then why was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OTDaniel_Oak said:Hi Deren, the answer to your opening question was given by Skillganon.
This answer shows that Allah merely forgives when one sincerely repents through prayer. If God is all powerful and merciful why cannot he merely forgive those who ask for forgiveness?
Deren said:If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
If Jesus did not die on the cross to atone for the sins of humankind, then how are your sins atoned for?
That still didn't answer our question.Bookofknowledge said:12:97
They said: "Father! Pray for the forgiveness for our sins. We have indeed done wrong."
12:98
He replied: "Soon I will ask my Rabb for your forgiveness; surely He is the One who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
17:15
He that seeks guidance, shall be guided to his own advantage, but he that goes astray does so to his own loss. No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgement. And during your worldly life, We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood.
LittleLambofJesus said:That still didn't answer our question.
LittleLambofJesus said:Then why was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT
Again, you did not answer the question. W hy was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OTBookofknowledge said:11:90
seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is indeed Merciful, Affectionate."
11:61
To the Thamud people, We sent their brother Saleh. He said: "O my people! Worship Allah, you have no god but Him. It is He Who created you from the Earth and made it a dwelling place for you. So seek forgiveness from Him and turn to Him in repentance. Surely my Rabb is very close, ready to answer."
LittleLambofJesus said:Again, you did not answer the question. W hy was Jesus the Christ sent to Israel as prophecied in the OT He is the only Name and Mediator between Man and God, not a Rabb!!!!!
The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!! Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.Bookofknowledge said:11:90
seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is indeed Merciful, Affectionate."
"We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood."
Read me now with open eyes! if you have a verse in your bible which says "No bearer shall bear the burden of another" and you own verse of OT says Jesus took away sin then it contradicts and I a not authorized to accept your version of OT.
LittleLambofJesus said:The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!!
LittleLambofJesus said:Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.
The catholics do the same thing by going to a priest and confessing!!! Why was Jesus sent by God? Peace.
(Young) Hebrews 8:12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --
(Young) Hebrews 12:24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!
(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'
(Young) Colossians 2:14 having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us [jews/non-jew hebrews], that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed [#4338] it to the cross/"stauroo" [#4717];
(Young) Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood,
Yes, we read the Scriptures to distinquish Truth and Falseness. So again. Why did God send Jesus the Christ?Bookofknowledge said:priest do not have the authority to forgive though they can ask forgivenss on behalf of the person who came to them, however It is only God who forgive sins.
"We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood"