(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

J Cord · Aug 31, 2016

rturner76 said:
This is true but no one is killing each other like blacks are. It's epidemic in the inner city. However, any individual can overcome prejudice by exposing themselves to a person of another culture. It's all about exposure conquering the fear. What I was talking about before was on a societal level.

I fully admit I haven't done a stitch of research, but I'm willing to bet that the higher the level of poverty in a community, the higher the level of crime, including violent crime, in that neighbourhood. So it's not about race, it's about poverty, and especially systemic generational poverty imo. And when you start out as a freed slave with absolutely nothing, and the laws of the land are designed to keep you in poverty, you start a long chain of systemic generational poverty.

SeventyOne · Aug 31, 2016

I remember seeing Eddie Murphy's white man skit on SNL when I was a kid, and I found it hilarious at the time because it was so absurd, the thought there was some secret sub-society for people, just because they are white. However, now I'm thinking that people actually think that exists, and it's stupid and sad all at the same time.

What it boils down to is pride, jealousy and envy, "That person is not like me." or "That person has things I want." People are pitted against each other based these sins they've already given themselves over to.

The obvious answer is the gospel, as it's the only way to get rid of sins. But America does everything it can to get farther and farther away from the gospel. I don't think it's a coincidence race relations are getting worse, when a mark of the end time will be race rising against race (Matt 24:7).

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

I'm so happy this is a featured thread

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

SeventyOne said:
I remember seeing Eddie Murphy's white man skit on SNL when I was a kid, and I found it hilarious at the time because it was so absurd, the thought there was some secret sub-society for people, just because they are white. However, now I'm thinking that people actually think that exists, and it's stupid and sad all at the same time.

What it boils down to is pride, jealousy and envy, "That person is not like me." or "That person has things I want." People are pitted against each other based these sins they've already given themselves over to.

The obvious answer is the gospel, as it's the only way to get rid of sins. But America does everything it can to get farther and farther away from the gospel. I don't think it's a coincidence race relations are getting worse, when a mark of the end time will be race rising against race (Matt 24:7).

Yes I agree, drilling into everyone's head that everyone is created equal...and a difference in phenotype doesn't make one inferior or superior. In addition, I think unrooting subsciusious bias and acknowledging it and pointing out why its wrong and why that thinking has to change is a great step as well. I think using cbt will help greatly.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

J Cord said:
I can tell you one thing that will set back race relations: Electing Donald Trump. He has based his campaign on divisiveness, and racial stereotyping. Electing him is no different than telling everyone who isn't white "You are NOT welcome! We want you GONE!"

I agree, I dont feel trump has *everyone's * best interest in mind... For one, immigrants aren't just Mexican some could be white or any other color...and I feel , if they aren't causing any trouble and trying to make an honest living...they need to be given a chance. If they're reckless and causing chaos then yeah they get the boot ... I just wonder why some people think America belongs to just one specific group when it doesn't, if you know your history you'll know what I mean. America is a melting pot and I love that about ameria...i can walk down the street...literally..and see Indians, Chinese ,Hispanic and black and everyone else and it amazing to be able to witness that. So I think if you're being productive and not causing trouble you shouldn't be mercilessly deported...the fact some come by boat or wade through neck high water just to get to America..means theyre trying to escape from a dark reality back home..and are hoping for a better future here in America. That hope, if filled with good intentions , shouldn't be crushed.

SeventyOne · Aug 31, 2016

When one looks at God's creation, you start noticing He intended diversity.

There isn't one type of dirt.
There isn't one type of rock.
There isn't one type of tree.
There isn't one type of bush.
There isn't one type of color.
There isn't one type of grass.
There isn't one type of vegetable.
There isn't one type of fruit.
There isn't one type of cloud.
There isn't one type of flower.
There isn't one type of horse.
There isn't one type of dog.
There isn't one type of spider.
There isn't one type of planet.

We look at all these different things and their beauty, and we enjoy them because of their beauty and diversity. But for some reason, when we look at other people, who are not only different in color, but also height, girth, all facial features, hair, etc, and for some reason all some people see is "ugly".

Personally, I like the diversity. I like that everyone doesn't look exactly like everyone else. It's a wonderful thing, but leave it up to the wicked heart of man to screw it all up, as usual.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

SeventyOne said:
When one looks at God's creation, you start noticing He intended diversity.

There isn't one type of dirt.
There isn't one type of rock.
There isn't one type of tree.
There isn't one type of bush.
There isn't one type of color.
There isn't one type of grass.
There isn't one type of vegetable.
There isn't one type of fruit.
There isn't one type of cloud.
There isn't one type of flower.
There isn't one type of horse.
There isn't one type of dog.
There isn't one type of spider.
There isn't one type of planet.

We look at all these different things and their beauty, and we enjoy them because of their beauty and diversity. But for some reason, when we look at other people, who are not only different in color, but also height, girth, all facial features, hair, etc, and for some reason all some people see is "ugly".

Personally, I like the diversity. I like that everyone doesn't look exactly like everyone else. It's a wonderful thing, but leave it up to the wicked heart of man to screw it all up, as usual.

Right I agree, and I'm gonna get a little off topic...because what you said just reminded me of another thing I hear alot. When I hear men say, " which girl is prettier" or even women say , " which girl is prettier" or even when I myself am asked..which women is prettier than so and so... I just keep thinking... Why does it have to be a contest for women ( I know men get comparisons as well, but in this moment im focusing on women BC I hear this comparison alot) ...

When we look at flowers , we dont say this rose is prettier than a tulip or baby's breath...we can take in all kinds of flowers and just be in awe of their collective beauty..and I wonder why it cant be that way for women... Were all beautiful in our own way.... Same with men..of course that doesn't negate the fact people will be more attracted others..thats perfectly fine...but like I said, were all beautiful in our own way and no one should be put down BC they dont look as good as so and so..

Okay lol...ive said my piece on that matter, now back on topic.

J Cord · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

I just found this today:

The report states Canada is the “freest country in the world,” and most tolerant of immigrants globally. According to the index:

92 per cent of Canadians believe the country is a good place for immigrants,
92 per cent of people think the country is a good place for ethnic minorities,
94 per cent of Canadians believe they have the freedom to choose the course of their life.

I live in Vancouver, and it is becoming increasingly rare to see a racially homogeneous group of kids playing together. IMO, the next generation of Canadians truly won't see race. Not as in "I don't see race so it's OK to be racist", but where skin colour matters as much as eye colour did to an older generation.

Are we perfect? No we have a long way to go imo, but we *are* working on it. How have we managed to do this? I'm not sure, but I can tell you it is very nice to live in peace and harmony, rather than the strife I see to the south. Perhaps it's out policy of Multi-Culturalism rather than Melting Pot?

rturner76 · Aug 31, 2016

SpunkyDoodle said:
This is a fallacy. It is common, but we can get past it. Please consider one of my favorite people, and his perspective. (I would love to meet this man someday.)

Thomas Sowell - Fallacies of Race

The true cause of the broken society, and broken families that characterize it, are based in the fallacy that government helps people by rewarding that behavior.

Thomas Sowell - Welfare

There may or may not be time to remedy the situation before things go really badly for all Americans on this. First thing to fix race relations is to get the racist Obama out of the presidency, and put someone in who is not a racist (e.g.: Trump, but certainly NOT HILLARY - she's very racist.)

The man has a compelling argument however I do disagree with some things. I have to admit, I don't have all the data at my fingertips but I think there are certain things we can all agree are true......

I would have a couple questions for this man like:

We all know that white people receive welfare as well as black people and it is even said that more overall dollars are spent on white Americans simply because of the larger population of white citizens. It is understood that a smaller percentage of white citizens receive welfare than blacks. Now knowing that there is a large amount of white citizens also receiving welfare, why is there not a comparable amount of violence in those white communities that are receiving welfare? Is there a comparable amount going to prison? Dropping out of school? Getting sick?

dqhall · Aug 31, 2016

tatteredsoul said:
Somehow the cosmos need's to turn white to black (mild pun intended,) and make all alleged privileges, rights, treatments and special gifting minorities claim white people in America get available ONLY to minorities. Then at the same time, yank all of those privileges away from white people in America, and give them exactly the privileges and treatment minorities claim they receive in America. (Since the "universe" does this, it will be an actual reflection, not an exaggeration of either side.)

Then, let those groups live for half a generation in that stasis of privilege reversed, and slowly wane it back as a generation of minorities are born into alleged white privilege talked about.

If there is no empathy, understanding, change for the better, or conversation within the first MONTH, then any other feat is futility.

The right to be born to a married couple cannot be given to those born to single mothers. The right to be born to loving parents who teach and train their children to become productive adults cannot be granted by government. Equal pay for equal work is already law.

Washington D.C. is a minority governed city. They spend some of the highest amounts per student on public education to see their students achieve some of the lowest test scores. Money can't buy you love.

Hallstone · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Love is the counter force that brings all things back into balance, there are "Black" people that have Love for others and they walk in it, and there are "White" people that have Love for others and they walk in it, but then there are those that want to create strife and hatred and contention for their own selfish, ambitious reasons, they have agendas.

Jas 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Overcome evil with good

J Cord · Aug 31, 2016

SeventyOne said:
I don't think it's a coincidence race relations are getting worse, when a mark of the end time will be race rising against race (Matt 24:7).

Hate to burst your bubble about the end times coming and all, but see post #48. Race relations are very good in Canada. (Could still be better though.)

tatteredsoul · Aug 31, 2016

SpunkyDoodle said:
Regardless of what point of view makes you say these things, we have seen in micro situations that this makes things worse. White people are no less capable of empathy than black people. I was far less polarized as a child and a youth than now. It is experience with the very thing you are bothered about that changed my attitude. I still try to give people of a different race a chance to show there true nature (re: Dr.MLK,Jr.) but am disappointed more times than not. If you will see the videos posted above, you will see it is not my opinion or attitude that makes life difficult for black people. It is how they have been treated by the liberalpoliticians that garnered their misplaced trust.

Microcosm isn't the cosmos. As I told someone else, it has been done on a small scale for the other side.

The fact that people aren't lining up to do this speaks for itself. If it was really as equal, even privileged for minorities as the people say it is, they should want to jump on a swap chance.

That isn't the case, is it? Instead, I head excuses for why such an "experiment" hasn't worked even though minorities are on the open ended side of the opposite situation right now.

One generation. That is all.

tatteredsoul · Aug 31, 2016

dqhall said:
The right to be born to a married couple cannot be given to those born to single mothers.

This has nothing to do with "race." And, nice slight by the way.

You don't even understand the biological, or socioeconomic holes in your argument.

The right to be born to loving parents who teach and train their children to become productive adults cannot be granted by government. Equal pay for equal work is already law.

Oh, I see now, this is an attempt to sound didactic and helpful while regurgitating stereotypes packaged in sociological glitter. Do you realize this is what you are doing?

Washington D.C. is a minority governed city.

1600 Pennsylvania Ave. isnt.

They spend some of the highest amounts per student on public education

So? And to whom does that money directly go? The DOE coffer isn't good enough.

to see their students achieve some of the lowest test scores.

How do you know that? This is one of many major point arguments like this can't even fathom to comprehend, so it can't be explained how flawed this thinking is. It isn't reality.

Money can't buy you love.

Maybe not real love. But, it's 2016: does anyone actually know what real love is - difference between opioid type pleasures, and altruism? Don't think so...

One generation. That's all that would be need.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

J Cord said:
I just found this today:

The report states Canada is the “freest country in the world,” and most tolerant of immigrants globally. According to the index:

92 per cent of Canadians believe the country is a good place for immigrants,

92 per cent of people think the country is a good place for ethnic minorities,

94 per cent of Canadians believe they have the freedom to choose the course of their life.

I live in Vancouver, and it is becoming increasingly rare to see a racially homogeneous group of kids playing together. IMO, the next generation of Canadians truly won't see race. Not as in "I don't see race so it's OK to be racist", but where skin colour matters as much as eye colour did to an older generation.

Are we perfect? No we have a long way to go imo, but we *are* working on it. How have we managed to do this? I'm not sure, but I can tell you it is very nice to live in peace and harmony, rather than the strife I see to the south. Perhaps it's out policy of Multi-Culturalism rather than Melting Pot?

Wow...guess I need to move to Canada they seem to have it more together than america lol

Wolf_Says · Aug 31, 2016

So one of the things brought up was "shoe on other foot." My question is, what privileges does a white person have that a minority person does not?

Privileges seems to be the new buzz word of today. "Males have more privileges than women!" "Whites have more privileges than blacks!" Please, privileges are all about the context of your life and choices that you make. It has very little if anything to go with race.

The issue today in america is simple. It is an entitled mentality. Like how the BLM movement feels entitled to reparations because of slavery.

Everybody feels entitled to everything, and when they dont get it, it must be somebody elses fault. Sure there are hate groups out there (KKK, BLM, ect) and these groups exist because of the ignorance of people.

I am white, idc it is who I am so I will say it. My wife? She is black. Guess what? On the cancer of the internet buzzfeed "privilege test" she scored higher than me.

Are there some racists out there? Yes, and unfortunately there always will be somewhere in the world.

J Cord · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Wow...guess I need to move to Canada they seem to have it more together than america lol

Certainly on the racial front, although we still have work to do.

It's so strange hearing Trump's racist rhetoric, and seeing people accept it and even cheer for it. If they did that in Canada, decent people would think them disgusting and quit associating with them, just like we would a Holocaust denier.

J Cord · Aug 31, 2016

Wolf_Says said:
So one of the things brought up was "shoe on other foot." My question is, what privileges does a white person have that a minority person does not?

Privileges seems to be the new buzz word of today. "Males have more privileges than women!" "Whites have more privileges than blacks!" Please, privileges are all about the context of your life and choices that you make. It has very little if anything to go with race.

The issue today in america is simple. It is an entitled mentality. Like how the BLM movement feels entitled to reparations because of slavery.

Everybody feels entitled to everything, and when they dont get it, it must be somebody elses fault. Sure there are hate groups out there (KKK, BLM, ect) and these groups exist because of the ignorance of people.

I am white, idc it is who I am so I will say it. My wife? She is black. Guess what? On the cancer of the internet buzzfeed "privilege test" she scored higher than me.

Are there some racists out there? Yes, and unfortunately there always will be somewhere in the world.

Nothing to do with entitlement, it has to do with discrimination based on skin colour. You can start here: Redlining.

When you're done that, move on to:

See also

Black flight
Computer-assisted reporting
Cream skimming
Housing segregation
Inclusionary zoning
Racial steering
Sundown town
Urban renewal
Timeline of racial tension in Omaha, Nebraska
White flight
When you're done reading all that, you'll hopefully have a better understanding. Education, it cures a lot of ills.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

Wolf_Says said:
So one of the things brought up was "shoe on other foot." My question is, what privileges does a white person have that a minority person does not?

Privileges seems to be the new buzz word of today. "Males have more privileges than women!" "Whites have more privileges than blacks!" Please, privileges are all about the context of your life and choices that you make. It has very little if anything to go with race.

The issue today in america is simple. It is an entitled mentality. Like how the BLM movement feels entitled to reparations because of slavery.

Everybody feels entitled to everything, and when they dont get it, it must be somebody elses fault. Sure there are hate groups out there (KKK, BLM, ect) and these groups exist because of the ignorance of people.

I am white, idc it is who I am so I will say it. My wife? She is black. Guess what? On the cancer of the internet buzzfeed "privilege test" she scored higher than me.

Are there some racists out there? Yes, and unfortunately there always will be somewhere in the world.

I think the obvious privilege is just being able to live. I'm not saying white people dont have any problems from being bullied to born to abusive parents ( any and everyone can experience that and that is truly horrible) ... But in Society..well America..idk how other countries treat their people...

But life in America isn't too fair for minorities, from being followed around in a store to being shot by the police with out a real cause. I think people think ,being able to " say what's on your mind" is a privilege...and it really isn't...its just supposed to be one of the amendments for being American...and I dont think its a privilege to be racist if that what's on your mind...

But here are a few double standards, the black panthers , a supposed hate group ( which really wasn't, it was just for the betterment of black people in a racially tense time) was shut down...while the KKK is still active

Another comparison in recent news, I think alot of people have seen the Olympics and heard abt Lochte's fiasco, Vandalizing another countries gas station I think and then lying about out...while he got endorsements pulled, their was more of an effort made to protect him or his actions even going so far as to say he was a kid.... While black Olympian , Gabby Douglas was scrutinized for not putting her hand over her heart and athlete Colin for not standing during the anthem....

The double standard is that in this country black people come up under so much un needed scrutiny where as our counterparts aren't. When we mess up or even make the slightest mistake, like not putting your hand over your heart, youre ripped in two and demonized.

And one more comparison, when it comes to un just police shootings-- like philando castile's shooting...theres always more evidence needed ...but in recent news , with singer Chris Brown there was speculation that he pulled a gun on woman that was with him in his house, and she happened to be white, and not only was the event live streamed but they had choppers and helicopters at his home...and you dont know if this woman lies or not...they jumped the gun with no problem..

Theres no doubt white people can have problems or experience issues however I think its more individual rather than societal problems..

If you think there are issues white people face in America..youre always free to tell me and I'm willing to listen.

Wolf_Says · Aug 31, 2016

J Cord said:
Nothing to do with entitlement

Have you read the demands of the BLM movement? It screams of entitlement. https://policy.m4bl.org/

Yes america has a bad history in terms of race relations, I do not think anybody is denying that fact. I am not saying that america is the greatest country in the world. However, laws such as the equal pay act, equal housing act and such have made it Illegal to discriminate on race, color, sex, religion ect.

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