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(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

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What about bombings in Syria? Suicide bombings? No? And I myself haven't laid a hand on anyone. Yes it needs to be addressed but in an unbiased manner... I think the issue with , " no body is killing each other like blacks are" is that it makes it seem like, those who are white,Asian,Hispanic ECT who died at the hands of those in their own own community...okay..like it doesn't deserve attention or isnt a problem BC " not too many died" ...and that phrase also paints blacks are vicious which we aren't. Anybody can be vicious.

There are plenty of blacks who go to college and become doctors and all that. I'm just saying as a community, we are broken. We experience violence and incarceration on a level that is not supposed to be experienced by human beings. Our community suffers like no other and it affects many many of us who never even got a chance to be somebody like all the others did because they didn't have to grow up around the violence, poverty, and broken homes that we did. Individuals make it all the time but as a people, we do not thrive as others do. Not because we are vicious or savages like they want to try and project on us but we come out of a system of 400 years of getting beaten and broken down and we are a broken people still.
 
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I think even with role reversal, some people will still harden their heart and not *want* to see. So I think it'd just be a waste of time, instead , like I proposed earlier is just a leveled playing field where every one has a good Headstart and finish.

Those same people exist on the oppressed side. When they face for the first, or four-hundredth time something in them won't allow them to reject any longer.

Nothing more than a full reversal will give the perspective. No matter how uncomfortable, that is a necessary move if we are truly about rebuilding race relations. Who knows? Maybe the flip side WON'T ignore the oppressed side for a generation, and they will actually sympathize. It may not be so bad a reversal.

One generation. Full reversal.


And, a generation will soften the heart... or kill you fighting. Ask the Moses' people...
 
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There are plenty of blacks who go to college and become doctors and all that. I'm just saying as a community, we are broken. We experience violence and incarceration on a level that is not supposed to be experienced by human beings. Our community suffers like no other and it affects many many of us who never even got a chance to be somebody like all the others did because they didn't have to grow up around the violence, poverty, and broken homes that we did. Individuals make it all the time but as a people, we do not thrive as others do. Not because we are vicious or savages like they want to try and project on us but we come out of a system of 400 years of getting beaten and broken down and we are a broken people still.
I totally understand this ..which is why I agree with you when you said...when it comes to fixing the black community it has to come from us, its not fair or right..bc we didnt cause the problem..but its something we have to do BC the burden is too big for anyone else but us..we have to love each other. But I understand you... That brokeness is going to take alot of fixing..like you said 400 years...thats not going to go away over night.
 
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I think youre right that it does go over people's heads... Its definetly something that should be discussed more openly

You sound idealistic, and optimistic. That is a great thing you don't want to be a cynical donkey.

Maybe when TEOTWAWKI happens, you can help the survivors socially and physically.

But... the talking train is over. At least in America it is; globalization has made minorities in America world commodities.
 
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You sound idealistic, and optimistic. That is a great thing you don't want to be a cynical donkey.

Maybe when TEOTWAWKI happens, you can help the survivors socially and physically.

But... the talking train is over. At least in America it is; globalization has made minorities in America world commodities.
Yeah trying to be about positivity not just for my own sanity but others as well.
 
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The real issue is that America has race relation issues and it is a problem and there should be some solutions.
Sorry, but by and large the race relations issue has simply been blown out of proportion by people like Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. who actually work at dividing the country by race so that there is hatred, bitterness, animosity, and lethal attacks and they are seen as *champions*.

The whole gamut of races can be found in America, and the other races are not making any fuss, but using their opportunities and building their lives, and even serving their country. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, you name it. They are all around us but not even on the racism radar. Why?

Before Obama and his henchmen came on the scene, blacks were indeed progressing very well. And it is the Democrats and their illiberal *liberal* policies which have destroyed black lives in the inner cities. Obama comes from Chicago, and Chicago has had the highest number of homicides this year. What does that tell you? Does Obama care for blacks? Not on your life. Does Hillary care for blacks? Only as votes to be garnered through manipulation and pulling out the race card. She is getting KKK support right now.

The laws are quite clear -- no racial discrimination. But who is addressing Black Racism, Black Muslims, Black Panthers, and BLM? Whites are afraid to even acknowledge Black Racism.

As to the conflicts between black perps and white police officers, anyone with an ounce of common sense would send black officers into black neighborhoods. Then race is out of the picture, and crimes are the focus. And let's face it. Blacks have been more involved with crimes than say the Japanese or Chinese. Are they forced to become criminals, or do they choose that lifestyle?
 
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Sorry, but by and large the race relations issue has simply been blown out of proportion by people like Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. who actually work at dividing the country by race so that there is hatred, bitterness, animosity, and lethal attacks and they are seen as *champions*.

The whole gamut of races can be found in America, and the other races are not making any fuss, but using their opportunities and building their lives, and even serving their country. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, you name it. They are all around us but not even on the racism radar. Why?

Before Obama and his henchmen came on the scene, blacks were indeed progressing very well. And it is the Democrats and their illiberal *liberal* policies which have destroyed black lives in the inner cities. Obama comes from Chicago, and Chicago has had the highest number of homicides this year. What does that tell you? Does Obama care for blacks? Not on your life. Does Hillary care for blacks? Only as votes to be garnered through manipulation and pulling out the race card. She is getting KKK support right now.

The laws are quite clear -- no racial discrimination. But who is addressing Black Racism, Black Muslims, Black Panthers, and BLM? Whites are afraid to even acknowledge Black Racism.

As to the conflicts between black perps and white police officers, anyone with an ounce of common sense would send black officers into black neighborhoods. Then race is out of the picture, and crimes are the focus. And let's face it. Blacks have been more involved with crimes than say the Japanese or Chinese. Are they forced to become criminals, or do they choose that lifestyle?

I can tell your one of those people that think people choose to be poor too right?
 
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Sorry, but by and large the race relations issue has simply been blown out of proportion by people like Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. who actually work at dividing the country by race so that there is hatred, bitterness, animosity, and lethal attacks and they are seen as *champions*.

The whole gamut of races can be found in America, and the other races are not making any fuss, but using their opportunities and building their lives, and even serving their country. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, you name it. They are all around us but not even on the racism radar. Why?

Before Obama and his henchmen came on the scene, blacks were indeed progressing very well. And it is the Democrats and their illiberal *liberal* policies which have destroyed black lives in the inner cities. Obama comes from Chicago, and Chicago has had the highest number of homicides this year. What does that tell you? Does Obama care for blacks? Not on your life. Does Hillary care for blacks? Only as votes to be garnered through manipulation and pulling out the race card. She is getting KKK support right now.

The laws are quite clear -- no racial discrimination. But who is addressing Black Racism, Black Muslims, Black Panthers, and BLM? Whites are afraid to even acknowledge Black Racism.

As to the conflicts between black perps and white police officers, anyone with an ounce of common sense would send black officers into black neighborhoods. Then race is out of the picture, and crimes are the focus. And let's face it. Blacks have been more involved with crimes than say the Japanese or Chinese. Are they forced to become criminals, or do they choose that lifestyle?
I have a few things to say, I dont think they alone blow race out of proportion..its the actions that shock everyone meaning police brutality and what not... Also...i think ..i guess sending a black police officer into black neighborhoods would do.. But the problem would still exist. It would just be swept under the rug. I think cops suffering from post traumatic stress should be on paid leave...but I've seen a couple of videos with a white officer..i think his name is Darren or something and he visits black communities regularly and even makes himself known and plays with children in the black neighborhoods...he gets to know them and treats them as human.

If he can do it, then others can too... Or should be able to.
 
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Sorry, but by and large the race relations issue has simply been blown out of proportion by people like Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. who actually work at dividing the country by race so that there is hatred, bitterness, animosity, and lethal attacks and they are seen as *champions*.

The whole gamut of races can be found in America, and the other races are not making any fuss, but using their opportunities and building their lives, and even serving their country. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Koreans, you name it. They are all around us but not even on the racism radar. Why?

Before Obama and his henchmen came on the scene, blacks were indeed progressing very well. And it is the Democrats and their illiberal *liberal* policies which have destroyed black lives in the inner cities. Obama comes from Chicago, and Chicago has had the highest number of homicides this year. What does that tell you? Does Obama care for blacks? Not on your life. Does Hillary care for blacks? Only as votes to be garnered through manipulation and pulling out the race card. She is getting KKK support right now.

The laws are quite clear -- no racial discrimination. But who is addressing Black Racism, Black Muslims, Black Panthers, and BLM? Whites are afraid to even acknowledge Black Racism.

As to the conflicts between black perps and white police officers, anyone with an ounce of common sense would send black officers into black neighborhoods. Then race is out of the picture, and crimes are the focus. And let's face it. Blacks have been more involved with crimes than say the Japanese or Chinese. Are they forced to become criminals, or do they choose that lifestyle?
No one said blacks cant be prejudice they very well can be, no problem with that. But I do have an issue that popped up in another poster's comment... This whole ," more than" thing. Like its justification to treat blacks like they should be muzzled and detained BC they're too violent. Violence comes in every form and every color, not too long ago a white Florida man was eating on a couples face....is that not worthy of concern?

I think the another thing that should be done is to dismantle the preconceived notions we all have about each other ..as thoughts do lead to actions.
 
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Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Fortunately I spent most of my childhood in schools, neighborhoods and sports teams that were diverse melting pots. Sure we had our jerks and sometimes there were fist fights outside school; once knives were involved between some racial gangs. The majority got along well.

Then I grew up went to college did some enlisted time in the Army in the deep south.

In a barracks where 50 men lived in close quarters the ones who had racial issues learned quickly to become "green" or find the highway home. For some, both white and black the environment was a shock. Yet the men in my platoon were mostly working out stereotypes and not deep seated hatred. Frankly back then there was a peer way to deal with jerks.

I spent over 26 years in the Army most of it as an officer and here to say the service has a solution to racial relations. It takes more than understanding and dialogue. It takes situations and shared toils and team work to root the understanding. Shared goals, shared sweat, blood and tears goes a long way.

Unfortunately in my opinion I believe communities are more segregated and isolated today than 26 or so years ago.
 
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I can tell your one of those people that think people choose to be poor too right?[/QUOTE

I can tell you are one of those people who thinks choices have nothing to do with poverty,that working,living a responseable life and developing your skills will not improve your life at all.
 
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Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

The best way IMO is to tell the more sinful races about Jesus. As long as one race commits 10x as much crime and lives off government welfare, other races who are victims of those crimes and who have to pay much higher taxes to support all those deadbeats on welfare there will always be strained race relations.
 
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... we come out of a system of 400 years of getting beaten and broken down and we are a broken people still.
This is a fallacy. It is common, but we can get past it. Please consider one of my favorite people, and his perspective. (I would love to meet this man someday.)

Thomas Sowell - Fallacies of Race


The true cause of the broken society, and broken families that characterize it, are based in the fallacy that government helps people by rewarding that behavior.

Thomas Sowell - Welfare

There may or may not be time to remedy the situation before things go really badly for all Americans on this. First thing to fix race relations is to get the racist Obama out of the presidency, and put someone in who is not a racist (e.g.: Trump, but certainly NOT HILLARY - she's very racist.)
 
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Those same people exist on the oppressed side. When they face for the first, or four-hundredth time something in them won't allow them to reject any longer.

Nothing more than a full reversal will give the perspective. No matter how uncomfortable, that is a necessary move if we are truly about rebuilding race relations. Who knows? Maybe the flip side WON'T ignore the oppressed side for a generation, and they will actually sympathize. It may not be so bad a reversal.

One generation. Full reversal.


And, a generation will soften the heart... or kill you fighting. Ask the Moses' people...
Regardless of what point of view makes you say these things, we have seen in micro situations that this makes things worse. White people are no less capable of empathy than black people. I was far less polarized as a child and a youth than now. It is experience with the very thing you are bothered about that changed my attitude. I still try to give people of a different race a chance to show there true nature (re: Dr.MLK,Jr.) but am disappointed more times than not. If you will see the videos posted above, you will see it is not my opinion or attitude that makes life difficult for black people. It is how they have been treated by the liberalpoliticians that garnered their misplaced trust.
 
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There are plenty of blacks who go to college and become doctors and all that. I'm just saying as a community, we are broken. We experience violence and incarceration on a level that is not supposed to be experienced by human beings. Our community suffers like no other and it affects many many of us who never even got a chance to be somebody like all the others did because they didn't have to grow up around the violence, poverty, and broken homes that we did. Individuals make it all the time but as a people, we do not thrive as others do. Not because we are vicious or savages like they want to try and project on us but we come out of a system of 400 years of getting beaten and broken down and we are a broken people still.

There are some really nice black wealthy neighborhoods in California, like around Queen St. In Inglewood, and in San Diego, and many other places... I say nice and "wealthy" - meaning, blacks who have been fortunate enough to live out a fuller potential...

The solution is that we need more employment opportunities to keep people fed and comfortable. People need OPPORTUNITY, which is why we need our industry back now, our manufacturing, etc., to give people the opportunity or the tools to move up.
 
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Regardless of what point of view makes you say these things, we have seen in micro situations that this makes things worse. White people are no less capable of empathy than black people. I was far less polarized as a child and a youth than now. It is experience with the very thing you are bothered about that changed my attitude. I still try to give people of a different race a chance to show there true nature (re: Dr.MLK,Jr.) but am disappointed more times than not. If you will see the videos posted above, you will see it is not my opinion or attitude that makes life difficult for black people. It is how they have been treated by the liberalpoliticians that garnered their misplaced trust.

Not only the liberal politicians but the globalists, who stripped manufacturing away, just when the African American community would have been recovering from their civil rights abuses -theyre a little behind because of all the extra hoops they had to jump through.
 
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Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

The whole problem with this is that people still think in terms of skin colour. In order to fix all racial problems, one simple thing needs to be done: people need to stop looking at other people's skin colour. After all, we are all truly equal, are we not? Therefore, if we are all truly equal, why should we care to differentiate between people of different skin colours?

How exactly do you do that? For example, when a journalist reports a murder, he should not say, ‘A black man has been killed by a white man.’ Instead, he should say, ‘A man has been killed by another man.’ Their skin colours are not relevant. As a corollary, the guys at the Black Lives Matter movement need to stop protesting over every black person who dies at the hands of a white person, not only because this is extremely disrespectful of white lives (since they never do the same when a black man kills a white man), but also because they are unjustly accusing every white man who kills any black man of being racist (when, obviously, the reason may have been anything other than racism).

Speaking of Black Lives Matter, here is another example: stop saying ‘Black lives matter’. Seriously, stop saying that black lives matter. Whilst it is true that black lives matter, saying it implies that black lives somehow matter more than white lives. Too much emphasis is placed on ‘Black lives matter’ and too little on ‘White lives matter’, suggesting that it is somehow more important to defend black lives than white lives and, consequentially, that black lives matter more than white lives. I mean, seriously, if I were to start a movement called ‘White lives matter’, what would happen? Would I be commended by my efforts to fight racial discrimination against whites, or would I be condemned as racist?

The reason why I am commended if I say ‘Black lives matter’ but criticised and accused of racism if I say ‘White lives matter’ is due to a faulty idea embedded in the minds of some people: that, because blacks are largely discriminated (which is false itself), their lives needs to be upheld and defended more than white lives (a nonsensical conclusion); and that, therefore, anyone who defends white lives is defending lives who need no defence any more, because those are the ones oppressing black lives (again, false). This is neo-racism. Racism used to mean, ‘Because I am white, I am intrinsically more valuable than you, who are black.’ Nowadays, neo-racism means, ‘Because I am black and you are white, you are oppressing me; therefore, the value of my life needs to be defended more than yours.’ In the end, this simply means that the Black Lives Matter supporters are simply racists in the opposite direction: not only are they seeing racism against blacks where none exists, but they are implying (if not outright stating it explicitly) that black lives matter more than white lives. This is the basic definition of ‘racism’.
 
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I hope I read this correctly... So you want minorities to have the privilege whites have? You want the shoes to be on the other's foot and let those people walk in the others life for a while in the other's shoes ...right?

If that's the case I do feel we all need to see and feel each others plight... But taking turns being a " step child" so to speak isnt the way to go about it.... People know right from wrong when they see it...you get what I'm saying.. In a perfect world.. Anyone should just be able to say " I'm hurting and here's why" and people should be able to get that without making excuses or what have you..but of course we live in a broken world..

The only thing I ask is the playing field be leveled for everyone. That is all.

I think @tatteredsoul is saying that is the only way whites are going to understand and be able to empathize with what the minority community faces on a daily basis.

EDIT: Should have read farther in the thread. Tattered already answered.
 
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Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

I can tell you one thing that will set back race relations: Electing Donald Trump. He has based his campaign on divisiveness, and racial stereotyping. Electing him is no different than telling everyone who isn't white "You are NOT welcome! We want you GONE!"
 
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