(Moved) The law. Is it done away with? Is it, really?

[BobRyan]

Please see the verse below. It specifically calls for circumcision

your verse "below" was 2 Tim 2:15

 

[klutedavid]

They did not have to become Jews or be circumcised to worship the one true God -- rather as separate nations -- in their own lands "My house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL NATIONS" - was God's plan for the world -- that OTHER nations would be worshipers of the ONE true God no matter that they were not Jews.

JUST as we SEE the uncircumcised worshiping God in the synagogues in Acts 13 and Acts 17:1-4 and Acts 18:1-5.

This is irrefutable.

God's plan was for Israel as a nation of PRIESTS and evangelists to spread the Gospel to the WORLD. Not that the world would be the priests - but just the Jews.

By CONTRAST if the gentiles wanted to also join that role as priest - a celebrate the Jewish feasts -- they had the option of ALSO becoming Jews.




Exodus 12:48–49

48 If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land.

By contrast - ALL GENTILES were to keep the Sabbath... Isaiah 56:1-8... Isaiah 66:23

Hello Bob.

Your partial quotation of Isaiah 56, fails.

Isaiah 56, states that the Gentiles will be sacrificing.

6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Your interpretation is a train wreck.

I had a word before to you, about that nasty habit of yours, whereby, you are selective and partial with your quotations.

You must explain how you sacrifice while not profaning the Sabbath?

 

[W2L]

By contrast - ALL GENTILES were to keep the Sabbath... Isaiah 56:1-8... Isaiah 66:23

Hebrews 4 refutes your flawed understanding of Isaiah and sabbath
.

 

[bugkiller]

The new Covenant is made with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- Jer 31:31-33

I read the Gospels and Acts.

bugkiller

 

[klutedavid]

The term "Old Covenant" does not appear at all in Isaiah 56 and we both know it.

So without anything being made up - we read the text and it says

Isaiah 56
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

1. The animal sacrifices had not been abolished for mankind in the OT - Cain and Abel included.

Obviously.

2. The NEW Covenant was in the OLD Testament Jer 31:31-33

3. The "GOSPEL has been preached to us JUST AS IT WAS TO THEM also" Hebrews 4:1-2
The "Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM" Gal 3:8

The gentiles were accepting the Gospel and keeping Sabbath in Isaiah 56 -- with absolutely NO reference to having them first be circumcised.

Just as they were not circumcised in Acts 13 or Acts 17:1-4 or Acts 18:1-5 in the synagogues of the NT.

The point remains.

Hello Bob.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, stick with the scripture.

Isaiah 56
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;

Sabbath and sacrifice are both mentioned, they go to together.

You can't have one without the other.

Yet as usual Bob, you delete whatever makes you uncomfortable.

 

[klutedavid]

The term "Old Covenant" does not appear at all in Isaiah 56 and we both know it.

So without anything being made up - we read the text and it says

Isaiah 56
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

1. The animal sacrifices had not been abolished for mankind in the OT - Cain and Abel included.

Obviously.

2. The NEW Covenant was in the OLD Testament Jer 31:31-33

3. The "GOSPEL has been preached to us JUST AS IT WAS TO THEM also" Hebrews 4:1-2
The "Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM" Gal 3:8

The gentiles were accepting the Gospel and keeping Sabbath in Isaiah 56 -- with absolutely NO reference to having them first be circumcised.

Just as they were not circumcised in Acts 13 or Acts 17:1-4 or Acts 18:1-5 in the synagogues of the NT.

The point remains.

Hello Bob.

You said earlier that Gentiles were not circumcised in the Old or New Testament.

I showed you that Gentiles were circumcised to celebrate the Passover.

Why can't you admit to your error?

 

[Dig4truth]

Hello Dig4truth.

Covenant Israel under the law will never be seen again.

Modern Israel has nothing to do with the law.

Old covenant Israel will be forever, only as long as they abide by that old covenant. Which they did not, so the nation itself was grafted out. Selective quoting from the Old Testament will not bring back the Israel of old.

Scripture?

 

[Dig4truth]

This new covenant is valid only for those who accept it (their Messiah, Jesus).

bugkiller

What? What are you saying here?

 

[Dig4truth]

Hello Bob.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, stick with the scripture.

Isaiah 56
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;

Sabbath and sacrifice are both mentioned, they go to together.

You can't have one without the other.

Yet as usual Bob, you delete whatever makes you uncomfortable.

Just so you know, you can "have" your cake and eat it too. However, you cannot "eat" your cake and have it too.

Please people get this quote right!

 

[Dig4truth]

The new Covenant is made with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" -- Jer 31:31-33

Apparently they don't exist anymore according to some on this forum. Kind of makes you wonder what they are thinking about.

 

[klutedavid]

Just so you know, you can "have" your cake and eat it too. However, you cannot "eat" your cake and have it too.

Please people get this quote right!

Whatever

 

[klutedavid]

Apparently they don't exist anymore according to some on this forum. Kind of makes you wonder what they are thinking about.

The scripture I guess.

 

[bugkiller]

What? What are you saying here?

Exactly what i said. The new covenant is optional for everyone. Those who do not opt in have a problem.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Apparently they don't exist anymore according to some on this forum. Kind of makes you wonder what they are thinking about.

Jews as what we understand a nation organized under the Sinaitic covenant.

bugkiller

 

[Dig4truth]

The scripture I guess.

Here's a thought, list a few.

 

[Dig4truth]

This new covenant is valid only for those who accept it (their Messiah, Jesus).

bugkiller

And God ALWAYS has His remnant, does He not?

 

[klutedavid]

Here's a thought, list a few.

You would not agree with any verses I posted, your under the law after all.

 

[Dig4truth]

I read the Gospels and Acts.

bugkiller

Anything in the Torah?

 

[Dig4truth]

You would not agree with any verses I posted, your under the law after all.

Which law are you refering to?
I'm certainly not under the law of sin and death.

 

[klutedavid]

Which law are you refering to?
I'm certainly not under the law of sin and death.

The law is Exodus and Deuteronomy, all of it, that is the law that Israel was under.