Most Misunderstood Bible Verses?

[Bible Highlighter]

You do realize God is good, right?
If so, what makes you think He would condone a believer's sin or evil?

 

[klutedavid]

Let's cut to the chase. Do you believe that a believer can die in one or two unrepentant sins (like lying, lusting after a woman, or hating) and still be saved?

Cutting to the chase is understanding the context, of the letter that James wrote.

I asked you whether you ignore someone in need in your church. That is what James is asking.

James 2
If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

Can that faith save that person?

Regarding the next question you asked.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you believe that a believer can die in one or two unrepentant sins (like lying, lusting after a woman, or hating) and still be saved?

The first point is I am not the judge.

The second point, if salvation reduces to how well behaved we can be, then God help us all. You don't honestly believe that your salvation directly hinges, on the condition of your heart at the moment of death?

Your salvation all reduces to those final seconds before death, did I repent of every single sin?

Salvation is by GRACE through faith...

Not salvation is by a perfect repentance.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Cutting to the chase is understanding the context, of the letter that James wrote.

I asked you whether you ignore someone in need in your church. That is what James is asking.

James 2
If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

Can that faith save that person?

Yes, James makes a point that if we have respect of persons in giving favor to the rich believers over poor believers, we have broken all of God's laws. Loving the poor is the same thing as taught in Matthew 25:31-46. If a believer does not help the poor within this life, they will be cast into everlasting fire. So I fail to see how this supports your belief in any way.

Regarding the next question you asked.

The first point is I am not the judge.

The second point, if salvation reduces to how well behaved we can be, then God help us all. You don't honestly believe that your salvation directly hinges, on the condition of your heart at the moment of death?

Yes. God is the giver and taker of life. Nothing happens by accident. It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Your salvation all reduces to those final seconds before death, did I repent of every single sin?

Salvation is by GRACE through faith...

Not salvation is by a perfect repentance.

So I would take that as a "yes" to my question. If such is the case, then wouldn't God have to agree with our sin in order to save us?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Of course you do. But how do you not see that as turning God's grace into a license for immorality as told to us in Jude 1:4? How is that warning any different than from what you just acknowledge to me here?

I desire a license to sin like I desire a license to give myself a drano enema....sin hurts ME,it hurts others , it makes God chastise me.How do you guys not get that.

Sinning or not sinning is not the issue when it comes to salvation.Faith in Christ alone.He wants all the Glory. He alone deserves the Glory.Take some of if you want.You think you are entitled to just a little bit of it . Let’s see how that plays.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

You do realize God is good, right?
If so, what makes you think He would condone a believer's sin or evil?

God hates a Believers sins and evil——He took out His hate on an innocent One that we might be forgiven....Jesus took what we deserve so that we could receive what He deserves.You want to talk about a “good” God? Show me a better deal than that!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I desire a license to sin like I desire a license to give myself a drano enema....sin hurts ME,it hurts others , it makes God chastise me.How do you guys not get that.

Judas hated it when he betrayed the Lord, that does not make it right that he did so and it does not make it right that he committed suicide. One can hate sin, but the real test is to stop if one truly hates it. An alcoholic can say that he hates his drinking, but until he stops he doesn't really hate it.

Sinning or not sinning is not the issue when it comes to salvation.Faith in Christ alone.He wants all the Glory. He alone deserves the Glory.Take some of if you want.You think you are entitled to just a little bit of it . Let’s see how that plays.

God does not lose glory if we obey Him. On the contrary, Jesus says this:

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God hates a Believers sins and evil——He took out His hate on an innocent One that we might be forgiven....Jesus took what we deserve so that we could receive what He deserves.You want to talk about a “good” God? Show me a better deal than that!

The Scriptures say that eternal salvation is for those who obey Him.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:9).

 

[klutedavid]

Yes, James makes a point that if we have respect of persons in giving favor to the rich believers over poor believers, we have broken all of God's laws. Loving the poor is the same thing as taught in Matthew 25:31-46. If a believer does not help the poor within this life, they will be cast into everlasting fire. So I fail to see how this supports your belief in any way.



Yes. God is the giver and taker of life. Nothing happens by accident. It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.



So I would take that as a "yes" to my question. If such is the case, then wouldn't God have to agree with our sin in order to save us?

James is talking about a faith without works.

James is talking about disregarding the needy in your church.

Can that kind of faith save you?

You need to ask yourself what is saving faith?

Because that is what James is talking about!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

James is talking about a faith without works.

James is talking about disregarding the needy in your church.

Can that kind of faith save you?

You need to ask yourself what is saving faith?

Because that is what James is talking about!

No. That kind of faith cannot save anyone. However, James was not just making a point only about poor brethren in the church in that specific situation only. His point was universal in the fact that if we fail to love others, things will not go well for us. Also, James uses Abraham and how he was justified by works by offering his son upon the alter. His point was not exclusive to the situation alone. Jesus also said that if we do not help the poor in this life, we can be cast into everlasting fire.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

James is talking about a faith without works.

James is talking about disregarding the needy in your church.

Can that kind of faith save you?

You need to ask yourself what is saving faith?

Because that is what James is talking about!

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." (James 1:21-22).

 

[Ron Gurley]

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be (TRY to be spiritually MATURE) perfect, as your heavenly Father is (absolutely)perfect.

perfect...Greek 5046...teleios...
1.brought to its end, finished
2.wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3.perfect
4.that which is perfect
1.consummate human integrity and virtue
2.of men
1.full grown, adult, of full age, MATURE

A PERFECT MAN DOES NOT MEAN A SINLESS MAN!
IMPOSSIBLE!

 

[Ron Gurley]

Try James 2:22...F + W = hand in hand!

 

[klutedavid]

"Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." (James 1:21-22).

Very good post.

 

[klutedavid]

Try James 2:22...F + W = hand in hand!

That verse belongs in the context.

Can an idle faith save you?

 

[klutedavid]

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be (TRY to be spiritually MATURE) perfect, as your heavenly Father is (absolutely)perfect.

perfect...Greek 5046...teleios...
1.brought to its end, finished
2.wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3.perfect
4.that which is perfect
1.consummate human integrity and virtue
2.of men
1.full grown, adult, of full age, MATURE

A PERFECT MAN DOES NOT MEAN A SINLESS MAN!
IMPOSSIBLE!

I don't think you will find anyone that disagrees with that post.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you are to be (TRY to be spiritually MATURE) perfect, as your heavenly Father is (absolutely)perfect.

perfect...Greek 5046...teleios...
1.brought to its end, finished
2.wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3.perfect
4.that which is perfect
1.consummate human integrity and virtue
2.of men
1.full grown, adult, of full age, MATURE

A PERFECT MAN DOES NOT MEAN A SINLESS MAN!
IMPOSSIBLE!

No. Jesus compared being perfect to the Heavenly Father.
The Heavenly Father is perfect in relation to behavior here.
If you were to read the context, being perfect is talking about loving your enemies, and praying for them.
Obviously one would not be sinning at the same time one would be loving their enemies.
So yes. We are to be perfect like the Father is perfect.
We see elsewhere in Scripture, God say, "Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:16).
Being holy like God means one is sinless because God is sinless. Hello?

 

[klutedavid]

No. That kind of faith cannot save anyone. However, James was not just making a point only about poor brethren in the church in that specific situation only. His point was universal in the fact that if we fail to love others, things will not go well for us. Also, James uses Abraham and how he was justified by works by offering his son upon the alter. His point was not exclusive to the situation alone. Jesus also said that if we do not help the poor in this life, we can be cast into everlasting fire.

Abraham never offered his son, the angel held his hand, the work never took place.

Abraham was justified by believing what God told him, as the scripture states.

You are saved by GRACE through faith, and that not by your own pathetic works.

You will never be allowed to boast, never, ever.

Can an idle faith save you, that is the question James asks.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Very good post.

I am not sure you get what James said. We are to lay apart all filthiness (sin) and receive the Word which is able to save our souls. You implied before that you really do not agree with that because a believer can die in one or two unrepentant sins and still be saved.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Abraham never offered his son, the angel held his hand, the work never took place.

Abraham was justified by believing what God told him, as the scripture states.

You are saved by GRACE through faith, and that not by your own pathetic works.

James says we are justified by works and not by faith only in James 2:24. James says that Abraham was justified by works by offering his son upon the alter (James 2:21).

You will never be allowed to boast, never, ever.

That is amusing. I never had any intention of doing so to begin with.
James is talking about God directed works done through the believer.
Paul is talking about Man directed works.
There is a difference;
But neither one of them believed that God's grace was a license for immorality.

Can an idle faith save you, that is the question James asks.

A faith (that is lived out) that has no works cannot save.
Meaning, works are required as a part of the salvation process.
For if good works were not required than a believer can just believe in Jesus and live in extreme amounts of sin and still be save.

In other words, you want there to be good works as a part of the faith, but yet you do not want it to be the case when it is in reference to salvation. But you cannot have one without the other. Works always follows a true faith. So works are necessary as a part of salvation. Follow the circle of logic here, my friend.

 

[klutedavid]

Thanks.

James says we are justified by works and not by faith only in James 2:24. James says that Abraham was justified by works by offering his son upon the alter (James 2:21).

That's the way, ignore the context.

Abraham was reckoned righteous, then the attempted sacrifice of his son followed.

That is amusing. I never had any intention of doing so to begin with.

Oh yes you did, you believe in justification by works and in complete contradiction of salvation by Grace through faith.

James is talking about God directed works done through the believer.

James is talking about watching others suffer, while you rest in your saving faith!

Paul is talking about Man directed works.

Paul is really talking about legal works more often than not.

There is a difference;

No there is not, you an only be saved by God's gift to you in Christ Jesus.

But neither one of them believed that God's grace was a license for immorality.

I don't know why you keep repeating that idea, who thinks you can willfully sin to your hearts content?

Do you struggle with holiness?

A faith (that is lived out) that has no works cannot save.

You I believe offered an answer to the question James asked.

Nevertheless, one may only ever be saved by Grace through faith, yet, faith is never idle.