LDS Mormons Call Them Saving Ordinances

[Duvduv]

So then WHO made up all the secret rituals and unusual beliefs??

 

[Jane_Doe]

So then WHO made up all the secret rituals and unusual beliefs??

You are being very disrespectful. "Unusual" just means outside your particular normal.

 

[Duvduv]

I am asking a substantive question. If these. rituals and beliefs not traced to Joseph Smith by the Community of Christ are not shared by them, then how did the Brighamist church acquire them?

 

[Jane_Doe]

I am asking a substantive question. If these. rituals and beliefs not traced to Joseph Smith by the Community of Christ are not shared by them, then how did the Brighamist church acquire them?

You do realize that both the CoC and LDS church are non-identical to the churches in the 1800's and have changed practices since then? (As have all other churches)

 

[Duvduv]

Can you explain please an answer to my question?? If only LDS have secret temple prsctices resembling the Masons, wheew did they acquire them if not from the "Seer" Joseph Smith???
Brigham Young Sidney Rigdon? James Strang? Emma or son Joseph Smith??

 

[Jane_Doe]

Can you explain please an answer to my question?? If only LDS have secret temple prsctices resembling the Masons, wheew did they acquire them if not from the "Seer" Joseph Smith???
Brigham Young Sidney Rigdon? James Strang? Emma or son Joseph Smith??

Temple rituals were initially implemented in the Navuoo era, before majority of the people left for Utah.

 

[Duvduv]

Then why do the Community of Christ not accept them??

 

[Jane_Doe]

Then why do the Community of Christ not accept them??

There a number of things from the Navuoo time period CoC never accepted officially (since their official organization). Many of these things were denied even happening for years, and there are many who think JS fell during this time.

Also, both churches have changed in practices, beliefs, and understanding since that time time. As have all other churches.

 

[Duvduv]

The issue isn't one or another period, but rather whether these beliefs and activities are authentically tracecto Joseph Smith or are later innovations.

 

[Jane_Doe]

The issue isn't one or another period, but rather whether these beliefs and activities are authentically tracecto Joseph Smith or are later innovations.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Continuing revelation was a key belief in Joseph Smith's time and continues to be so for both LDS and CoC.

 

[Duvduv]

In that case you are saying that Mormonism does not have to be tied necessarily to Joseph Smith and his claims. Logically not only can new beliefs and rituals be introduced, but someone could come along with a revelation that Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon were fraudulent, and so on ad infinitum. Why not?!....

 

[Jane_Doe]

In that case you are saying that Mormonism does not have to be tied necessarily to Joseph Smith and his claims.

I'm trying to figure out how to best say this respectfully.... You seem to be approaching this with the idea that "X believe God spoke to JS and then God forever shut up. And we loyal followers are simply to believe based on JS word and that it".

No one believes that.

Rather a foundational belief of JS, LDS, and CoC is that the Heavens are now open: revelation flows the the church/world as a whole, and individuals. If a person wishes to seek Truth and to know for sure, pray and ask God yourself -- don't just take any man's word.

 

[Duvduv]

I wish you would address the substance of my questions rather than just dance around the edges. You claim progressive revelation, and I ask about a revelation that the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith were not authentic.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I wish you would address the substance of my questions rather than just dance around the edges. You claim progressive revelation, and I ask about a revelation that the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith were not authentic.

That would be as realistic as saying "the Bible ain't authentic. This whole NT thing didn't happen.". Not going to happen.

 

[Duvduv]

Do CoC members say that the LDS secret practices and beliefs are not from Joseph Smith are false?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Do CoC members say that the LDS secret practices and beliefs are not from Joseph Smith are false?

I've gotten a whole variety of responses to that question from CoC folks. They're a very diverse bunch.

 

[Duvduv]

So there is no uniform position of their historic leadership about these matters which are a matter of contention?

 

[Jane_Doe]

So there is no uniform position of their historic leadership about these matters which are a matter of contention?

CoC has other matters of contention of belief/practice that have their focus in years past.

 

[Duvduv]

So you don't know their official position. Maybe someone else does....

 

[He is the way]

So you don't know their official position. Maybe someone else does....

If you want to know the official position of the CoC go to https://www.cofchrist.org/ Why ask some who does not belong?