LDS Mormonism and Non-Mormons

[He is the way]

The prophecy of the great falling away has not happened because the Church has held the holy traditions which She has been taught, both by word and Epistle. The blood of the martyrs throughout the centuries bears witness to the Love of God that always remains in the Church. The Church, not Mormons, holds the Apostolic traditions and keeps them.

Many have fallen away from the truth they are easily angered, lie, rape, steal, profane, hate and kill. They are not meek, kind, loving, charitable, merciful, faithful, virtuous, peaceful, and patient.

 

[He is the way]

They saw in a vision a mere metaphorical image of the God of Israel. No one can see God and live (Exodus 33:20), and no one has ever seen God, or can see Him (1 Timothy 6:16).

You mean like Joseph saw Him in a vision?

 

[He is the way]

That is largely incorrect. the wheat and the tares grow together in the same field. There are tares in the congregation, just as there was in the early Church, and even among's Christ's own disciples. Consider Judas Iscariot a tare.

Yes, you are correct everyone either follows God or Satan. Even Peter was called out:

(New Testament | Matthew 16:23 - 27)

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

[truefiction1]

Many have fallen away from the truth they are easily angered, lie, rape, steal, profane, hate and kill. They are not meek, kind, loving, charitable, merciful, faithful, virtuous, peaceful, and patient.

Like Warren Jeffs, the false prophet of the fundamentalist church of LDS, who likes to rape little girls?

Yes there are many tares among the wheat, even in the true Church of Christ, which He established upon the preaching of His Apostles. Yet there is still the wheat, and these are faithful to Christ and strive to live according to His sayings -- all of His sayings.

 

[truefiction1]

You mean like Joseph saw Him in a vision?

We have no credible witness to testify to the validity of His visions, or of Muhammed's visions, or Ellen G. White's visions, etc. The Bible does not testify to the truth of their visions, and their visions contradict the Apostolic Traditions which have always been held to in the Church. For this reason alone, we know they are of the evil one, not God.

 

[Rescued One]

In Mormonism you are told repeatedly to obey the extra biblical commandments and to follow the "Prophet" without question.

Yet the Bible says:

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

John 10
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

 

[He is the way]

Like Warren Jeffs, the false prophet of the fundamentalist church of LDS, who likes to rape little girls?

Yes there are many tares among the wheat, even in the true Church of Christ, which He established upon the preaching of His Apostles. Yet there is still the wheat, and these are faithful to Christ and strive to live according to His sayings -- all of His sayings.

Yes like Warren Jeffs.

 

[He is the way]

We have no credible witness to testify to the validity of His visions, or of Muhammed's visions, or Ellen G. White's visions, etc. The Bible does not testify to the truth of their visions, and their visions contradict the Apostolic Traditions which have always been held to in the Church. For this reason alone, we know they are of the evil one, not God.

God knows the sheep from the goats.

 

[He is the way]

In Mormonism you are told repeatedly to obey the extra biblical commandments and to follow the "Prophet" without question.

Yet the Bible says:

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

John 10
7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.
They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

God's prophets do not lead people astray.

 

[dzheremi]

God's prophets do not lead people astray.

Yep. That's how we know the people you call prophets are not from God. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[truefiction1]

Warren Jeffs is a Mormon prophet.

 

[He is the way]

Warren Jeffs is a Mormon prophet.

Really? Who told you that? He is a fundamentalist, not a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. Our prophet is Russell M. Nelson:

Russell M. Nelson - Wikipedia

 

[He is the way]

Yep. That's how we know the people you call prophets are not from God. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So if prophets of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not lead people astray that is how you know they are not from God? Or do you actually believe they are leading people astray by telling them to come unto Christ and keep the commandments? Do you understand the whole duty of man? If so, what is it?

 

[dzheremi]

So if prophets of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not lead people astray that is how you know they are not from God?

I was trying to be polite via inference, but since you've not understood, I'll be more explicit now: Since Mormonism by its nature (denying the true God, denying the Church that Christ bought and sanctified by His own blood, etc.) leads people astray, those who claim to be prophets within that religion are by definition false.

You cannot be a true prophet of a false religion. That's why we as Christians are bound to reject Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Felix Manalo, Jeffrey Lundgren, Warren Jeffs, and any and all others who claim to be prophets but whose revelations do not accord with the Christian faith which has been handed down to us from the time of the apostles until today.

Or do you actually believe they are leading people astray by telling them to come unto Christ and keep the commandments? Do you understand the whole duty of man? If so, what is it?

I understand that's what you and other believing Mormons believe that these men are doing, but that is not in fact what they are doing. You are quite simply incorrect, as everyone in this thread and every other thread on Mormonism has been trying to show you and all our other Mormon friends here on CF for years.

 

[truefiction1]

So if prophets of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not lead people astray that is how you know they are not from God? Or do you actually believe they are leading people astray by telling them to come unto Christ and keep the commandments? Do you understand the whole duty of man? If so, what is it?

The whole duty of man is to believe in Jesus Christ (John 6:29). But Who is Jesus Christ? The Mormons all lead people astray quite simply because they tell a great lie about Who Jesus Christ is, thereby making it impossible for any who believe them to believe in the True Christ. The Christ they preach is a different Christ than He Who is to be believed in.

 

[BigDaddy4]

There are many commandments, but they ALL hinge on these two commandments of LOVE:

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

(New Testament | Matthew 22:37 - 40)

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The promise is that if you keep these commandments will have eternal life. However there are more promises, here are some:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

(New Testament | John 14:21 - 23)

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 16)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So no admission that your church adds extra-Biblical requirements for exaltation or eternal life with God? Why are you unwilling to fully disclose the lds requirements?

 

[BigDaddy4]

Your presumption that modern day prophets of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Saints are false prophets is wrong.

No presumption but fact. And also a fact that the prophets mentioned in the referenced scripture do NOT refer to any lds prophets.

 

[BigDaddy4]

You mean like Joseph saw Him in a vision?

This is not God:

I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.

16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction—not to an imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being - (JS History 15b-16a)

And this:

I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me. (JS History 16b)

is explained by this:

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Cor. 11:14)

 

[He is the way]

So no admission that your church adds extra-Biblical requirements for exaltation or eternal life with God? Why are you unwilling to fully disclose the lds requirements?

The church does not give commandments, God does. Being sealed to our families is nothing new.

 

[He is the way]

No presumption but fact. And also a fact that the prophets mentioned in the referenced scripture do NOT refer to any lds prophets.

You are still assuming what you believe to be true.