LDS Mormonism and Non-Mormons

[He is the way]

Nope. In former days God spoke to us through prophets. In these latter days He has revealed Himself to us through His Son (Hebrews 1:1-2). We have the Son of God, so you can go ahead and keep your so-called prophets if you want. But there are unimaginably unfortunate consequences if you continue.

That does not mean that there would be no more prophets. It means that in these latter days we have the words of Jesus Christ to guide us.

 

[He is the way]

The most essential of Christ's commandments, which pertain only to His true disciples, you do not keep, nor can you keep it, because the doctrine of the lds won't allow. I won't elaborate, because it is not a matter to be discussed between us.

The greatest commandments of all time are about LOVE because God is LOVE.

 

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No one knows who the prophets mentioned in Revelation are. You assume it is Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses because that fits what you believe, but the Bible does not say this. Neither does the Bible state that prophets became obsolete.

It's not for any individual to interpret any prophecy of Scripture, but rests upon the consensus of the Church. The closest thing that exists to a consensus is that the two witnesses are either of the two choices I listed above. Prophecy still exists in the Church. Mormons were never the Church, nor can they ever be. Thus, they are not prophets. They even teach against the commandments of Christ, and war against His true Church. So on that grounds alone they can't ever be called prophets.

 

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The greatest commandments of all time are about LOVE because God is LOVE.

And Love is Life, but failing to do as Christ commanded with regards to the most essential of His commandments almost assuredly leads to destruction. He says so in no uncertain terms.

 

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That does not mean that there would be no more prophets. It means that in these latter days we have the words of Jesus Christ to guide us.

Jesus created His Church. His Church, of which He Himself is the Head and the Holy Spirit the Breath, is our guide; not some 19th century farm boy from Palmyra, NY, who claimed to have seen, in a vision, Him Whom no one has ever seen, nor can see, because He dwells in unapproachable Light. LIAR... seduced by demons because of his own, evil, spiritual pride.

 

[He is the way]

It's not for any individual to interpret any prophecy of Scripture, but rests upon the consensus of the Church. The closest thing that exists to a consensus is that the two witnesses are either of the two choices I listed above. Prophecy still exists in the Church. Mormons were never the Church, nor can they ever be. Thus, they are not prophets. They even teach against the commandments of Christ, and war against His true Church. So on that grounds alone they can't ever be called prophets.

You said: "Mormons were never the Church, nor can they ever be. Thus, they are not prophets."

Do you believe that stating this somehow makes it true?

You said: "They even teach against the commandments of Christ"

No they don't, they teach people to keep the commandments:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 22:31)

31 Wherefore, ye need not suppose that I and my father are the only ones that have testified, and also taught them. Wherefore, if ye shall be obedient to the commandments, and endure to the end, ye shall be saved at the last day. And thus it is. Amen.

Neither do we war against His true church which is the church of the lamb of God.

(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

 

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You said: "Mormons were never the Church, nor can they ever be. Thus, they are not prophets."

Do you believe that stating this somehow makes it true?

You said: "They even teach against the commandments of Christ"

No they don't, they teach people to keep the commandments:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 22:31)

31 Wherefore, ye need not suppose that I and my father are the only ones that have testified, and also taught them. Wherefore, if ye shall be obedient to the commandments, and endure to the end, ye shall be saved at the last day. And thus it is. Amen.

Neither do we war against His true church which is the church of the lamb of God.

(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

Christ created His own Church about 2000 years ago. Any church that only began to exist 200 years ago is not the Church that Jesus Christ started. Period. I don't have to say it. Christ Himself said it when He said that He build His Church on a rock, and that His Church shall not fall away, like those houses built on sand. Anyone who claims that Christ's own Church, founded by Him on the preaching of His own, chosen Apostles to be a light in the world, fell away, is saying the exact opposite of what Christ Himself clearly preached with regards to His Church. They are liars, plain and simple, unless Christ is a liar. I believe Christ.

If you say that the Body of Christ fell away from its Head, Christ, then you wage war on the Body of Christ. By teaching false things about Who Christ is, and about Who the Father is, and Who the Holy Spirit is, you make yourself an enemy of Christ and His Body.

And the Mormons do not obey Christ's most essential commandment.

 

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Mormon religions exist for one reason: Someone who was susceptible, by virtue of unbridled spiritual pride, to extreme demonic deception regarding their own spiritual status, became convinced that he was a chosen messenger to "restore" what was lost by the spiritually inept.

The list of people like this who have founded their own religions in Christ's name is so long that I wouldn't be able to put it on here. Joseph Smith is just one of countless others, none of whom are any part of the Church that Jesus Christ established and maintains in the Truth by the Holy Spirit. Mormonism is Joseph Smith's Church, being paraded in the name of Jesus Christ. But it is not, nor will it ever be the Church that Jesus Christ founded and maintains in God's Truth.

 

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(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

The Book of Mormon features the very same lie that all the other liars have featured in their restoration claims. Christ established a Church on Himself and the preaching of His Apostles. It is still here and will persevere in the Truth until He returns. This Church's teachings and Way is in keeping with all of Christ's commandments. Your religion breaks with many of His commandments and teachings.

 

[He is the way]

Jesus created His Church. His Church, of which He Himself is the Head and the Holy Spirit the Breath, is our guide; not some 19th century farm boy from Palmyra, NY, who claimed to have seen, in a vision, Him Whom no one has ever seen, nor can see, because He dwells in unapproachable Light. LIAR... seduced by demons because of his own, evil, spiritual pride.

Whom no one has ever seen, nor can see, because He dwells in unapproachable Light.

Stephen saw God in a vision and so did Joseph Smith. The unrighteous would die if they saw God:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:8)

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(Old Testament | Exodus 19:17 - 22)

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.
22 And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.

(Old Testament | Exodus 24:9 - 11)

9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

 

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Stephen saw God in a vision and so did Joseph Smith. The unrighteous would die if they saw God:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:8)

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(Old Testament | Exodus 19:17 - 22)

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.
22 And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.

(Old Testament | Exodus 24:9 - 11)

9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Stephen did not see the Father. No one can see God and live. The only way to see the Father is through His Word made flesh (Jesus). If you see Jesus you see the Father, because They are the same God.

Stephen prayed for the forgiveness of his killers. Joseph Smith took a loaded revolver and shot at his. He did not see the Father. Nobody sees the Father, because the Father dwells in light unapproachable.

Visions often come from the evil one.

 

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Muhammad the prophet saw visions. Ellen G. White saw visions. The list is nearly endless. They all claim that their visions contained instructions from God on the truth. They all claim that God revealed things, yet God, it seems, has told each of them something radically different and at odds with each other.

Our prophets (saints) see visions too, sometimes. Those visions never contradict or are at odds with the holy Church. If they were we would know that they are not of God.

 

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Stephen saw God in a vision and so did Joseph Smith. The unrighteous would die if they saw God:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:8)

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

The pure in heart see God because our souls are mirrors, and when the muddy veil of sin is cleansed from the surface of our mirrors, we reflect God's uncreated energy (glory). We see only God's energy, which is unapproachable light. We do not see the Father's essence. No one can see that and live, not even the righteous. Oh how you folks twist the Scriptures into such ugly distortions of truth to effectively transfigure them into such insufferable lies!

 

[He is the way]

Christ created His own Church about 2000 years ago. Any church that only began to exist 200 years ago is not the Church that Jesus Christ started. Period. I don't have to say it. Christ Himself said it when He said that He build His Church on a rock, and that His Church shall not fall away, like those houses built on sand. Anyone who claims that Christ's own Church, founded by Him on the preaching of His own, chosen Apostles to be a light in the world, fell away, is saying the exact opposite of what Christ Himself clearly preached with regards to His Church. They are liars, plain and simple, unless Christ is a liar. I believe Christ.

If you say that the Body of Christ fell away from its Head, Christ, then you wage war on the Body of Christ. By teaching false things about Who Christ is, and about Who the Father is, and Who the Holy Spirit is, you make yourself an enemy of Christ and His Body.

And the Mormons do not obey Christ's most essential commandment.

His church did fall away as prophesied:

(New Testament | 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - 17)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

The man of sin is Satan.

 

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(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

Compare this abhorrent lie with the fact that in the twentieth century alone, an estimated 40 million Orthodox Christians gave their lives for their faith, primarily under communism.

When people are ignorant of the power of the faith of members of Christ's Holy Church, they fall easy prey to this satanical slander levied against the Body of Christ. Try to be not so ignorant of the faith of the holy martyrs and saints of the Orthodox Church. That should help.

 

[He is the way]

Stephen did not see the Father. No one can see God and live. The only way to see the Father is through His Word made flesh (Jesus). If you see Jesus you see the Father, because They are the same God.

Stephen prayed for the forgiveness of his killers. Joseph Smith took a loaded revolver and shot at his. He did not see the Father. Nobody sees the Father, because the Father dwells in light unapproachable.

Visions often come from the evil one.

You said: "If you see Jesus you see the Father, because They are the same God."

Then you said: "Nobody sees the Father, because the Father dwells in light unapproachable."

Is the Bible wrong then?:

(Old Testament | Exodus 24:9 - 11)

9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

 

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His church did fall away as prophesied:

(New Testament | 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - 17)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

The man of sin is Satan.

The prophecy of the great falling away has not happened because the Church has held the holy traditions which She has been taught, both by word and Epistle. The blood of the martyrs throughout the centuries bears witness to the Love of God that always remains in the Church. The Church, not Mormons, holds the Apostolic traditions and keeps them.

 

[He is the way]

(Book of Mormon | 1 Nephi 14:10)

10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.

Compare this abhorrent lie with the fact that in the twentieth century alone, an estimated 40 million Orthodox Christians gave their lives for their faith, primarily under communism.

When people are ignorant of the power of the faith of members of Christ's Holy Church, they fall easy prey to this satanical slander levied against the Body of Christ. Try to be not so ignorant of the faith of the holy martyrs and saints of the Orthodox Church. That should help.

There are only two churches the wheat and the tares, those who serve God and those who serve the devil, the goats and the sheep, the righteous and the unrighteous. Everyone belongs to one or the other.

 

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You said: "If you see Jesus you see the Father, because They are the same God."

Then you said: "Nobody sees the Father, because the Father dwells in light unapproachable."

Is the Bible wrong then?:

(Old Testament | Exodus 24:9 - 11)

9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

They saw in a vision a mere metaphorical image of the God of Israel. No one can see God and live (Exodus 33:20), and no one has ever seen God, or can see Him (1 Timothy 6:16).

 

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There are only two churches the wheat and the tares, those who serve God and those who serve the devil, the goats and the sheep, the righteous and the unrighteous. Everyone belongs to one or the other.

That is largely incorrect. the wheat and the tares grow together in the same field. There are tares in the congregation, just as there was in the early Church, and even among's Christ's own disciples. Consider Judas Iscariot a tare.