LDS Mormonism and Non-Mormons

[truefiction1]

Is this information in the Bible? Do you have other books of scripture?

It's all in the Bible. It's integral to the Gospel itself and to Salvation that Jesus Christ Ascended in the flesh into glory; an Atoning act of God by which human nature itself is greatly transformed and glorified.

 

[He is the way]

the Bible also says obey the truth here;
Romans 2:8
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

Now since Mormons do not seek truth how does that work or will it work out in the End?

Why would you think that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not seek the truth. We are diligent in searching for the truth. We study the scriptures every day. When going over the scriptures we find deeper meanings in them. We resist the temptations of Satan with a desire to overcome the world. Who teaches the keeping of the commandments?:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[He is the way]

It's all in the Bible. It's integral to the Gospel itself and to Salvation that Jesus Christ Ascended in the flesh into glory; an Atoning act of God by which human nature itself is greatly transformed and glorified.

You said: "The purpose of the Ascension is the glorification of human nature, which is exulted in Communion with the Holy Trinity in Heaven."

Does this mean becoming equal to God or just becoming one with God which means the same thing?

 

[Rescued One]

the Bible also says obey the truth here;
Romans 2:8
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

Now since Mormons do not seek truth how does that work or will it work out in the End?

They add to God's word and blaspheme the true God by following the invented commandments of Joseph Smith and other false prophets.

They taught that men could create and govern their own planets and now they deny that teaching. See my post:

Mormon: There is only one way to know God...

 

[He is the way]

They add to God's word and blaspheme the true God by following the invented commandments of Joseph Smith and other false prophets.

They taught that men could create and govern their own planets and now they deny that teaching. See my post:

Mormon: There is only one way to know God...

You said: "They taught that men could create and govern their own planets and now they deny that teaching. See my post"

Who denied that we can become equal to God? Not me.

 

[truefiction1]

You said: "The purpose of the Ascension is the glorification of human nature, which is exulted in Communion with the Holy Trinity in Heaven."

Does this mean becoming equal to God or just becoming one with God which means the same thing?

It means being nourished by God's grace throughout infinity, thereby being transformed "from glory to glory", in a never-ending progression into the Life of God, which is always new, always higher, and always deeper. It is to become, by God's grace (which is to say, God's uncreated energy/power), as God is by nature, but never fully reaching the fullness of God's glory, because God's glory is infinitely great.

No creature will ever be "equal" to God in the sense that God has no beginning in time. God simply always "is". Creatures all have a beginning which is determined by God. Creatures are not the source of their own life. They do not "have Life in themselves" the way that God does (John 5:26). Creatures are not the originators of their own existence. God is the originator of all things, even God's own existence is from God's own personal power and will. God depends on nothing, but is free from any dependency on anything. Not even God's Divine nature (essence) determines what God can or cannot do. God is "Personal", and in God's incomprehensible existence, "persons" (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) precede and determine Their nature, and not the other way around.

 

[truefiction1]

You said: "They taught that men could create and govern their own planets and now they deny that teaching. See my post"

Who denied that we can become equal to God? Not me.

I'd like to examine this concern of yours about becoming "equal" to God, if you don't mind. My primary concern about this is find out why this seems to be so important a theme in your understanding of salvation, and also to ascertain the nature your understanding of what it is to be equal to God.

 

[Jamesone5]

You said: "They taught that men could create and govern their own planets and now they deny that teaching. See my post"

Who denied that we can become equal to God? Not me.

Who denied that we can become equal to God? Not me----.He is the Way

Mormons , through Joseph Smith , are just following satan's first lie to mankind and expanding upon it: "we can be even be equal to God, not just like God"

 

[Jamesone5]

Why would you think that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not seek the truth. We are diligent in searching for the truth. We study the scriptures every day. When going over the scriptures we find deeper meanings in them. We resist the temptations of Satan with a desire to overcome the world. Who teaches the keeping of the commandments?:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Why would you think that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not seek the truth.
He is the way

I suppose ther is supposed to be a question mark after the sentence as it appear that you are asking a question, which I will answer.

Mormons might seek truth, but that truth they seek are within the parameters of their own Church's teaching. That you cannot go out of the bounds of you own doctrines to find truth. You have to keep your testimony intact.

Truth is through God --- and really Christ as part of the One True God

John 17:16-18 (NKJV)
16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world

This is Christ praying to God through His humanity,--- As you sent Me into the world

Now, the Mormon argument is that He need another Gospel to deliver God's truths to mankind, which is false. The so-called "Fullness of the Gospel" thing that the LDS like to tout. As if mankind had been lost without it for 1800 years. No mention in the Bible, except in the imaginations of Mormons--- of why we needed this Fullness bit since the Time of Christ. So right there is a obvious example on how Mormon are not seeking God's truth as they should be.

We who realize that this is a solid Promise from Christ--means that we can trust Christ on God's truths.
John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Since He first appeared at the time in what is called the Pentecost---He is available to us right now if we ask God in humbleness

We no longer need a prophet to tell us what is supposedly God's Truths.

 

[mmksparbud]

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


When we refuse the promptings of the Holy Spirit, God will give you up to your own ideas, for they are what you want.

 

[He is the way]

I'd like to examine this concern of yours about becoming "equal" to God, if you don't mind. My primary concern about this is find out why this seems to be so important a theme in your understanding of salvation, and also to ascertain the nature your understanding of what it is to be equal to God.

Through the Bible we learn that Jesus the Son of God and our brother thought it not robbery to be equal to God:

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Paul was looking forward to the prize of the high calling of God:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Jesus said that men are Gods:

(New Testament | John 10:34)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

We have a divine nature:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And there is this also:

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[mmksparbud]

Through the Bible we learn that Jesus the Son of God and our brother thought it not robbery to be equal to God:

(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Paul was looking forward to the prize of the high calling of God:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Jesus said that men are Gods:

(New Testament | John 10:34)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

We have a divine nature:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And there is this also:

(New Testament | Ephesians 3:19)

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:13)

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Of course He didn't, He is God.

 

[He is the way]

Why would you think that members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do not seek the truth.
He is the way

I suppose ther is supposed to be a question mark after the sentence as it appear that you are asking a question, which I will answer.

Mormons might seek truth, but that truth they seek are within the parameters of their own Church's teaching. That you cannot go out of the bounds of you own doctrines to find truth. You have to keep your testimony intact.

Truth is through God --- and really Christ as part of the One True God

John 17:16-18 (NKJV)
16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world

This is Christ praying to God through His humanity,--- As you sent Me into the world

Now, the Mormon argument is that He need another Gospel to deliver God's truths to mankind, which is false. The so-called "Fullness of the Gospel" thing that the LDS like to tout. As if mankind had been lost without it for 1800 years. No mention in the Bible, except in the imaginations of Mormons--- of why we needed this Fullness bit since the Time of Christ. So right there is a obvious example on how Mormon are not seeking God's truth as they should be.

We who realize that this is a solid Promise from Christ--means that we can trust Christ on God's truths.
John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Since He first appeared at the time in what is called the Pentecost---He is available to us right now if we ask God in humbleness

We no longer need a prophet to tell us what is supposedly God's Truths.

Yes I do seek the truth outside of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. I have read over 50 NDE books. I do a lot of reading and keep up on current affairs I attend IANDS meetings. I pray to God and He answers my prayers. How about you?

 

[He is the way]

Of course He didn't, He is God.

He is also our brother. God the Father is His God and Father too.

 

[mmksparbud]

He is also our brother. God the Father is His God and Father too.

Only through is humanity---we are not brothers in His divinity!!

 

[Jamesone5]

He is also our brother.

Christ as a brother who created us?

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

What part of all things do you consider yourself NOT to be?​

 

[He is the way]

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

What part of all things do you consider yourself NOT to be?​

God the Father is the Father of spirits, He is also the Father of Jesus Christ.

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes I do seek the truth outside of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. I have read over 50 NDE books. I do a lot of reading and keep up on current affairs I attend IANDS meetings. I pray to God and He answers my prayers. How about you?

Well I certainty pray every day, even for you lately. But I do not pray whether the LDS Church is true or false. That would be redundant to do such a thing as God answered my prayer on that 24 years ago.

 

[Jamesone5]

God the Father is the Father of spirits, He is also the Father of Jesus Christ.

Sorry, you do not get to move on with other claims until you answer this:

Christ as a brother who created us?
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

What part of all things do you consider yourself NOT to be?

 

[He is the way]

Only through is humanity---we are not brothers in His divinity!!

All of us have one Father:

(Old Testament | Malachi 2:10)

10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 10)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.