Mormon View of Life After Death

[withwonderingawe]

My previous response was in answer to your question.

What of the after-death experience of gay couples that profess to be Christians and those ministers that marry them?

sorry use to talk with a guy named superdad, i ment super 14

 

[ToBeLoved]

You done really well until the last. Spirit prison is reserved for the wicked. If a person is good and lived a good life they will be in paradise. They will be taught the gospel there just as those in spirit prison. When Christ died on the cross and his spirit left his body it went to paradise and he prepares the teaching by bridging the gulf between paradise and spirit prison so those in spirit prison can be taught the gospel as well. Also although we will have further light and knowledge in the spirit world we will still have to live by faith bruise in the spirit world who accept the gospel can be released from it and enter paradise.

Jesus didn't say when He died He was going to heaven to prepare teaching.

Jesus said that He is going to prepare a place for us, that where He is, we shall be also.

Once we are dead, we are dead. No more gospel, no more chances.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Well I'm finding there are somethings you really didn't quite grasp when you were Mormon, how long were you?

The man on the cross accepted Jesus right there, his baptism would be done later by proxy. Lot's of people in the spirit prison have accepted Jesus and moved on into paradise waiting for their baptisms to be done. Now I'm of the opinion that they won't be resurrected until the baptism is done. My fellow Mormons can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

Paul said we see though "a glass darkly ... now I know in part" we don't know everything, no buddy does.

But, I'll tell you the Evangelical concept of the after life literal turned my stomach. When the "Christian" woman who witnessed to me could see I was resisting (as I really began reading the Bible) she gave me a pamphlet as her last stab to save my soul. The thing called the children of our Heavenly Father filthy rags and spoke of hell he must have created because he created all things. Her god was going to burn all unbelievers in fire and brimstone. I use a small g in the word God there on purpose because she worshiped a god made in her own image one which was full of hate for everyone who didn't believe like she did. Her god was a failure because 99% of the people who have lived on this earth did not and will not accept her god.

I grew up worshiping a loving Heavenly Father and understanding I was his daughter, even though I would sin he would always love me. The God I worshiped save everyone from death and hell because he loves his children. I spent several nights in turmoil thinking about the monster she called god and for the life of me I can not understand how anyone could rationally worship such a being.

Thank you for admitting it is a different God and a different Jesus. No matter what your religion says, God is just and righteous. You create your own God. The God you want in your mind.

 

[ToBeLoved]

and, in the end, all men should have eternal life” Alma 1

Let’s see what Jesus say about what I required?

Luke 18
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

The problem is that you do not understand what the verse is saying. What Jesus is saying is put nothing before Him when you follow Him. The man's money and earthly things he would always desire instead of truly following Jesus.

The object is that the man get rid of all he has that would stop Him from following Jesus Christ.

Somehow you pull paying a tithe out of this. Hmmm.

What you should get is a Matthew Henry's Commentary, because that would at least explain to you the basics of these verses. It is only Matthew Henry's Commentary $12.97 on Amazon

 

[Rescued One]

So a lot of Christians!

No. Zero Christians. You don't know who is born again and you don't know how to identify a Christian.

“If our lives do not reflect the fruit of following Jesus, then we are foolish to think that we are actually followers of Jesus in the first place.”
- David Platt

 

[Rescued One]

The Mormon view of life after death is totally foreign to what Protestants believe. After death (before the resurrection) the person's spirit goes to a spirit world that is divided into two parts. IMO, it is best to go to official statements on their websites to obtain accurate information.

"The spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.

“And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.

“Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection” (Alma 40:12–14).

The spirits are classified according to the purity of their lives and their obedience to the will of the Lord while on earth. The righteous and the wicked are separated (see 1 Nephi 15:28–30), but the spirits may progress as they learn gospel principles and live in accordance with them. The spirits in paradise can teach the spirits in prison (see D&C 138).
Gospel Principles, Chapter 41, The Postmortal Spirit World

More information because Gospel Fundamentals makes it clearer about Spirit Prison:

"Three kinds of people will be there. There will be those who were wicked in this life, those who lived good lives but did not accept the gospel, and those who never had the opporyunity to hear the gospel."
Gospel Fundamentals, p. 196

 

[withwonderingawe]

No. Zero Christians. You don't know who is born again and you don't know how to identify a Christian.

“If our lives do not reflect the fruit of following Jesus, then we are foolish to think that we are actually followers of Jesus in the first place.”
- David Platt

You just threw out 80,000,000 souls who consider themselves Christian.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You just threw out 80,000,000 souls who consider themselves Christian.

In your opinion. I think Jesus would disagree with you and I don't think He appreciates the things you say as much as you would like to think.

You should look into JS life and history, it might just bring you down a few pegs.

 

[withwonderingawe]

In your opinion. I think Jesus would disagree with you and I don't think He appreciates the things you say as much as you would like to think.

You should look into JS life and history, it might just bring you down a few pegs.

I didn't throw them out Phoebe did.

 

[Rescued One]

You just threw out 80,000,000 souls who consider themselves Christian.

I don't save people or send them to hell. How did I cause anyone's standing with God? You say the strangest things.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I didn't throw them out Phoebe did.

No, I'm looking at your post #87

 

[Super14LDS]

Are you addressing the Mormon view of life after death?

Even active gay people are saved from death should they choose to accept Jesus as their savior and even if they don't a loving God will not punish them forever. Check the specifics of each of the three degrees of glory to better understand how it all works. LDS priesthood will never condone or sanctify gay marriage as so many Christain churches have done.

 

[withwonderingawe]

I'm going to repost what I think of the Evangelical god;

But, I'll tell you the Evangelical concept of the after life literal turned my stomach. When the "Christian" woman who witnessed to me could see I was resisting (as I really began reading the Bible) she gave me a pamphlet as her last stab to save my soul. The thing called the children of our Heavenly Father filthy rags and spoke of hell he must have created because he created all things. Her god was going to burn all unbelievers in fire and brimstone. I use a small g in the word God there on purpose because she worshiped a god made in her own image one which was full of hate for everyone who didn't believe like she did. Her god was a failure because 99% of the people who have lived on this earth did not and will not accept her god.

I grew up worshiping a loving Heavenly Father and understanding I was his daughter, even though I would sin he would always love me. The God I worshiped saves everyone from death and hell because he loves his children. I spent several nights in turmoil thinking about the monster she called god and for the life of me I can not understand how anyone could rationally worship such a being.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Even active gay people are saved from death should they choose to accept Jesus as their savior and even if they don't a loving God will not punish them forever. Check the specifics of each of the three degrees of glory to better understand how it all works. LDS priesthood will never condone or sanctify gay marriage as so many Christain churches have done.

Your priesthood does not decide who gets into heaven. What your priesthood believes and Mormon beliefs in general affect Christians 0%.

Your people that call themselves the 'priesthood' are not. That is all lies.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I'm going to repost what I think of the Evangelical god;

But, I'll tell you the Evangelical concept of the after life literal turned my stomach. When the "Christian" woman who witnessed to me could see I was resisting (as I really began reading the Bible) she gave me a pamphlet as her last stab to save my soul. The thing called the children of our Heavenly Father filthy rags and spoke of hell he must have created because he created all things. Her god was going to burn all unbelievers in fire and brimstone. I use a small g in the word God there on purpose because she worshiped a god made in her own image one which was full of hate for everyone who didn't believe like she did. Her god was a failure because 99% of the people who have lived on this earth did not and will not accept her god.

I grew up worshiping a loving Heavenly Father and understanding I was his daughter, even though I would sin he would always love me. The God I worshiped saves everyone from death and hell because he loves his children. I spent several nights in turmoil thinking about the monster she called god and for the life of me I can not understand how anyone could rationally worship such a being.

The thing is, you cannot create who and what God is.

Instead of thinking of God as someone that you create, you should find out WHO GOD says He is. Because GOD does NOT CHANGE. He will change for no one.

I would think about that and give much more credence to the Bible and the actual words and teachings of Jesus Christ, who WAS 'fully man' and 'fully God', because it is all in there.

You will stand before Him one day and He will proably ask you if you read who He is. And why not.

 

[Rescued One]

Even active gay people are saved from death should they choose to accept Jesus as their savior and even if they don't a loving God will not punish them forever. Check the specifics of each of the three degrees of glory to better understand how it all works. LDS priesthood will never condone or sanctify gay marriage as so many Christain churches have done.

People who reject a holy perfect God who protects His sheep and ALWAYS does the very best for them deserve the punishment. This what Mormons can't grasp. Your god is just one of us who has achieved more that we have so far. You worship an exalted man and rejection of Him seems less sinful to you. You don't understand the enormity of that sin. So your founder tried to come up with a plan that would make provision for his deceased brother who had not embraced Christ.

The Bible says that this life is when we must come to God. If that doesn't happen, what can a person say when he faces judgment. "Why did you make me like this, God?" That's right, criticize God and assume you have that right.

Hebrews 9
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

2 Corinthians 6:2
(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)


Your Book of Mormon agrees with the Bible on those two points.

Book of Mormon, Alma 34
29 Therefore, if ye do not remember to be charitable, ye are as dross, which the refiners do cast out, (it being of no worth) and is trodden under foot of men.

30 And now, my brethren, I would that, after ye have received so many witnesses, seeing that the holy scriptures testify of these things, ye come forth and bring fruit unto repentance.

31 Yea, I would that ye would come forth and harden not your hearts any longer; for behold, now is the time and the day of your salvation; and therefore, if ye will repent and harden not your hearts, immediately shall the great plan of redemption be brought about unto you.

32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.

33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.

34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.

35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

Joseph Smith decided later on that men need more opportunties and more leniency, so he came up with separate kingdoms of glory for the fence sitters and the wicked. He redefined hell, said that people could repent after death, made it appear less likely that people would spend eternity in hell.

35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

OOPS! A contradiction appears.

"Check the specifics of each of the three degrees of glory to better understand how it all works."

How many more times should I check this?

 

[Rescued One]

If a church or denomination goes against God's word, it's time to leave. The pastor has to teach what is true. That can apply to organizations that claim to be the only true church and to denominations or congregations that depart from the word of God. Churches don't save. JESUS is the only Savior!

 

[Rescued One]

I grew up worshiping a loving Heavenly Father and understanding I was his daughter, even though I would sin he would always love me.

"Through the gift of the Holy Ghost we can become better persons and do good things. We can become more like our Father in Heaven. But we must always try to do good things, or the Holy Ghost will not stay with us."
Gospel Fundamentals, "Chapter 16: The Gift of the Holy Ghost," Part Five: The Gospel of Jesus Christ


Alma 34
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.

COMPLETE OBEDIENCE BRINGS ETERNAL LIFE. But to be exalted one must keep the whole law. This is the great love he shows forth for his children: notwithstanding they sin and close their eyes against the truth, yet his arm is stretched out still, and he will feel after them and bring them back if they will keep his commandments; and if not, he will do for them just the best he can.* Is going to bless them with all it is possible to give, and all shall be saved; all others will receive a place somewhere and it will be glorious unto them, but to receive the exaltation of the righteous, in other words eternal life, the commandments of the Lord must be kept in all things.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:6

* Is the Mormon god impotent?

SAINTS COMMANDED TO MARRY FOR ETERNITY.
The Lord has commanded us, as it is recorded in the revelations, that marriage among members of the Church should be performed in his holy house, and not for time only, but for time and all eternity. Therefore, those who are satisfied to receive a ceremony for time only, uniting them for this life, and are content with that, are ignorant of this fundamental principle of the gospel and its consequences, or they are in rebellion against the commandments of the Lord.
Now, what I want to say is intended very largely for the parents of the young people. I think the parents, perhaps, are more to be blamed, because, in many instances, very many instances, they have not taught their children the sacredness of the marriage covenant….
It fills my heart with sadness when I see in the paper the name of a daughter or a son of members of this Church, and discover that she or he is going to have a ceremony and be married outside of the temple of the Lord, because I realize what it means, that they are cutting themselves off from exaltation in the kingdom of God.

SORROW IN RESURRECTION IF NO ETERNAL MARRIAGE.
These young people who seem to be so happy now, when they rise in the resurrection-and find themselves in the condition in which they will find themselves-then there will be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and bitterness of soul; and they have brought it upon themselves because of their lack of faith and understanding of the gospel, and from, I am sorry to say, the encouragement they have received many times from their own parents….
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:60

 

[ToBeLoved]

"Through the gift of the Holy Ghost we can become better persons and do good things. We can become more like our Father in Heaven. But we must always try to do good things, or the Holy Ghost will not stay with us."
Gospel Fundamentals, "Chapter 16: The Gift of the Holy Ghost," Part Five: The Gospel of Jesus Christ

That is HUGE right there. That says it all for me. No more info needed to call this non-Christianity.

 

[Rescued One]

That is HUGE right there. That says it all for me. No more info needed to call this non-Christianity.

Yes. If God adopted us as children, why would He then forsake us?