Mormon View of Life After Death

[withwonderingawe]

What do you do with John 3:16 ?

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Exodus 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

I'll make this a short answer for you. We believe that when you die your spirit goes though a judgment. Those who have bowed the knee to Christ go into paradise to await the resurrection. Those who did not have a chance to hear of him are taught the gospel and make a decision to bow the knee or not. The truly evil and those who rejected Christ go into a place where they suffer for their own sins. Alma describes his experience, he says while he was being racked with the pains of a damn soul " I was harrowed up by the memory of my many sins". This is hell, this is where the suffering takes place until the last farthing. Once they have paid that then they leave this place and are resurrected but it is not a resurrection unto life.

'Eternal life' to us means life as God knows it and to live in his presence, they do not receive that blessing they are plotted out of the book of life. You are born with your name in it and the un-repented have their names plotted out. They perish in the since they can't be with God, they are damn in that they can not finish being made in his image and likeness.

But God still loves them and has prepared a place where they will find happiness.

 

[mmksparbud]

God has prepared a place for sinners who refuse to bow down to Him where they will find happiness???!!!----Can you please state where in the bible it says that.
However, I do read this:
Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
It sounds like you have swallowed the original lie:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 

[Super14LDS]

Why won't you answer my question?
Please answer the following:
I've not met a Christian who wasn't following Christ and His commandments. Have you?

How many protestants condone and even perform gay marriage?

{ crickets chirping }

American Lutheran Church Votes to Allow Gay Clergy

In a surprising act of liberalization last week, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) voted to begin ordaining actively gay people as clergy. ... http://www.realjock.com/article/1492

Apparently IAW SOF, isn't that lovely

 

[withwonderingawe]

{ crickets chirping }

American Lutheran Church Votes to Allow Gay Clergy

In a surprising act of liberalization last week, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) voted to begin ordaining actively gay people as clergy. ... http://www.realjock.com/article/1492

Apparently IAW SOF, isn't that lovely

So a lot of Christians!

 

[withwonderingawe]

God has prepared a place for sinners who refuse to bow down to Him where they will find happiness???!!!----Can you please state where in the bible it says that.
However, I do read this:
Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
It sounds like you have swallowed the original lie:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Every knee will eventually bow to Christ. There is a place prepared called 'outer darkness' and that is reserved for a Satan, his angels and a small handful of sons of perdition. We don't know what it is like there but I think they literally "perish".

 

[Super14LDS]

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Every knee will eventually bow to Christ. There is a place prepared called 'outer darkness' and that is reserved for a Satan, his angels and a small handful of sons of perdition. We don't know what it is like there but I think they literally "perish".

From the appended article we learn that this is what is meant by "the mystery of godliness" not justification of the Trinity.

“For, behold, the mystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name."


The Hell That Has No End

The three degrees of glory provide eternal homes for the vast majority of God’s children who merited earth life. There is a fourth destination, however, for those “comparatively few” who cannot abide even a telestial glory. The Lord explains that the destiny of the sons of perdition is a kingdom without glory (see D&C 88:24), and “the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows,” only those “ordained unto this condemnation” (see D&C 76:43–49).

These are they who “cannot repent.” They “sin against the Holy Ghost” and “put Christ to open shame.” (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols., Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954–56, 1:47–49.)

All who partake of this, the greatest of sins, sell themselves as did Cain to Lucifer. They learn to hate the truth with an eternal hatred, and they learn to love wickedness. They reach a condition where they cannot repent. The spirit of murder fills their hearts and they would, if they had the power, crucify our Lord again, which they virtually do by fighting his work and seeking to destroy it and his prophets. …

Before a man can sink to this bitterness of soul, he must first know and understand the truth with a clearness of vision wherein there is no doubt. The Change of heart does not come all at once, but is due to transgression in some form, which continues to lurk in the soul without repentance, until the Holy Ghost withdraws, and then that man is left to spiritual darkness. Sin begets sin; the darkness grows until the love of truth turns to hatred, and the love of God is overcome by the wicked desire to destroy all that is just and true. In this way Christ is put to open shame, and blasphemy exalted.

How fortunate it is that in the mercy of God there will be comparatively few who will partake of this awful misery and eternal darkness.

Thus, hell has an end for all consigned to it except the sons of perdition. They alone remain in a hell which has no end.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1986/04/i-have-a-question?lang=eng

 

[withwonderingawe]

While answering another question I was reading Col 1 and found this;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say,whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Now the term "all things" according to Strongs means everyone individually, every man. The word 'things' is 'a primary preposition; properly, meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.)" so all men. But Paul goes beyond this to every creature. I went to William Barclays Bible commentary and found this;

"The point is that the reconciliation of God extends not only to all persons but to all creation, animate and inanimate. The vision of Paul was a universe in which not only the people but the very things were redeemed. This is an amazing thought."

Then he says; (iv) The passage ends with a curious little phrase. Paul says that this reconciliation extended not only to things on earth but also to things in heaven. How was it that any reconciliation was necessary for heavenly things?

Barclay comes up with the wrong answer though, for some reason he didn't put it together with 1Peter 3&4,

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;.....
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

Everyone who ever comes to this earth will have the opportunity to hear the gospel and bow his knee to Christ.

 

[Super14LDS]

"The point is that the reconciliation of God extends not only to all persons but to all creation, animate and inanimate. The vision of Paul was a universe in which not only the people but the very things were redeemed. This is an amazing thought."

Then he says; (iv) The passage ends with a curious little phrase. Paul says that this reconciliation extended not only to things on earth but also to things in heaven. How was it that any reconciliation was necessary for heavenly things?

One of my favorite articles may yield insight; here is a brief intro.

The most commonly held belief among Christians is that the reward of the righteous is to inherit the kingdom of God (Matt. 25:34; 1 Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:21), which is defined as living with God in heaven (Matt. 5:3; 18:3; 2 Tim. 4:18; 1 Peter 1:4). Furthermore, the scriptures also indicate that "heaven" and "earth" are two different places (Matt. 6:10; 16:19; Acts 7:49; Col. 1:20), with God living in "heaven," while sinful man lives on "earth." Therefore, it would seem that the Bible teaches that the reward of the righteous is to live eternally with God in heaven.

In contrast to this, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the righteous will inherit the earth which will become their sanctified, immortal, and eternal home (D&C 63:20,21; 88:17-27; 130:9). As such, in the beginning, when God created the earth, it was meant to become the place we would ultimately inherit. But if that is true, then how can man inherit the "kingdom of heaven" if he was meant to live eternally on earth?

To understand this seeming contradiction, let's take a look at what the Bible tells us. ... http://14lds.com/earth.htm

I so was impressed by this "Accent" on mormonism that I likewise adopted the clever 14LDS moniker; really I'm just a fan of how this and other articles provide unique in-depth summaries of a few key topics such as this.

 

[tickingclocker]

Mormon View of Life After Death....

... is so convolutedly entangled with so many other convoluted issues within their Medusa-like changing doctrines, traditions, myths, and rituals, even they have a hard time following it to any logical conclusion. Yet they seem to have an answer (or a revised, updated officialized answer which nullifies the previous officialized answer) for everything. EVERYTHING! So compelling.

Well, I'm off to the beach, folks! Death doesn't concern me. I'm counted among the Unbound through Jesus Christ, my Savior and Lord.

 

[withwonderingawe]

One of my favorite articles may yield insight; here is a brief intro.

The most commonly held belief among Christians is that the reward of the righteous is to inherit the kingdom of God (Matt. 25:34; 1 Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:21), which is defined as living with God in heaven (Matt. 5:3; 18:3; 2 Tim. 4:18; 1 Peter 1:4). Furthermore, the scriptures also indicate that "heaven" and "earth" are two different places (Matt. 6:10; 16:19; Acts 7:49; Col. 1:20), with God living in "heaven," while sinful man lives on "earth." Therefore, it would seem that the Bible teaches that the reward of the righteous is to live eternally with God in heaven.

In contrast to this, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the righteous will inherit the earth which will become their sanctified, immortal, and eternal home (D&C 63:20,21; 88:17-27; 130:9). As such, in the beginning, when God created the earth, it was meant to become the place we would ultimately inherit. But if that is true, then how can man inherit the "kingdom of heaven" if he was meant to live eternally on earth?

To understand this seeming contradiction, let's take a look at what the Bible tells us. ... http://14lds.com/earth.htm

I so was impressed by this "Accent" on mormonism that I likewise adopted the clever 14LDS moniker; really I'm just a fan of how this and other articles provide unique in-depth summaries of a few key topics such as this.

Very nice and well done but I'll take issue with one verse

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [i.e. the temple, the House of the Lord] is with men and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people and God himself shall be with them" (Rev. 21:1-3)

It says down at the bottom of the chapter "22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." I think what "the tabernacle of God" means his physical body, Jesus called his body a temple.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:35
35 The elements are the tabernacle of God...."

Rev 21
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;

God the Father will come here and dwell with us and wipe away or tears because he has the hands to do it.

and then there is the theory that this earth will actually betaken back to where God dwells and become one.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Mormon View of Life After Death....

... is so convolutedly entangled with so many other convoluted issues within their Medusa-like changing doctrines, traditions, myths, and rituals, even they have a hard time following it to any logical conclusion. Yet they seem to have an answer (or a revised, updated officialized answer which nullifies the previous officialized answer) for everything. EVERYTHING! So compelling.

Well, I'm off to the beach, folks! Death doesn't concern me. I'm counted among the Unbound through Jesus Christ, my Savior and Lord.

Well it's not that it changes but that our understanding grows.

And what does it really matter, 'doesn't matter if the pearly gates swing or slide just as long as they open' Hinckely

 

[Rescued One]

How many Protestants condone and even perform gay marriage?

Beats me!
Acts 5
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

What has that got to do with this thread?

 

[withwonderingawe]

Beats me!
Acts 5
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord, and depart from evil.

What has that got to do with this thread?

You asked if we knew any Christians that didn't follow or obey God, well

 

[Rescued One]

{ crickets chirping }

American Lutheran Church Votes to Allow Gay Clergy

In a surprising act of liberalization last week, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) voted to begin ordaining actively gay people as clergy. ... http://www.realjock.com/article/1492

Apparently IAW SOF, isn't that lovely

• Sola Fide, by faith alone.
• Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
• Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
• Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
• Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.

Psalm 119
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

If you don't stay on Topic, Mormon View of Life After Death, don't you think a moderator will clean up the thread?

 

[Rescued One]

You asked if we knew any Christians that didn't follow or obey God, well

Are you unable to answer the question? You've had time to think about it.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Are you unable to answer the question? You've had time to think about it.

Superdad did answer it; American Lutheran Church Votes to Allow Gay Clergy

Jude
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ....Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire....These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: ...How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit."

Mark 7
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

 

[Super14LDS]

Sola Fide, by faith alone.
Sola Scriptura, by Scripture alone.
Solus Christus, through Christ alone.
Sola Gratia, by grace alone.
Soli Deo Gloria, glory to God alone.
Psalm 119
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

If you don't stay on Topic, Mormon View of Life After Death, don't you think a moderator will clean up the thread?

Why won't you answer my question?
Please answer the following:
I've not met a Christian who wasn't following Christ and His commandments. Have you?

My previous response was in answer to your question.

What of the after-death experience of gay couples that profess to be Christians and those ministers that marry them?

 

[Rescued One]

Superdad did answer it; American Lutheran Church Votes to Allow Gay Clergy

Jude
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ....Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire....These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: ...How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit."

Mark 7
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Who is Superdad?

Denominations have not had the new birth. I never asked a question about denominations.

Have you met a Christian who wasn't following Christ and His commandments?

 

[Rescued One]

My previous response was in answer to your question.

What of the after-death experience of gay couples that profess to be Christians and those ministers that marry them?

Are you addressing the Mormon view of life after death?

 

[mmksparbud]

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Every knee will eventually bow to Christ. There is a place prepared called 'outer darkness' and that is reserved for a Satan, his angels and a small handful of sons of perdition. We don't know what it is like there but I think they literally "perish".

Every knee shall bow---the saved, we do it out of love even before we are resurrected---the lost do it on judgement day. The conquered always bow to the conqueror, not out of love, acknowledgement that they have lost and the conqueror is greater than they. But look at the whole quote.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Isa 45:20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

God is the ONE AND ONLY GOD AND THERE IS NONE OTHER. Every knee shall bow and acknowledge Him. Including everyone who thinks there are many gods out there in other worlds, and that they will become gods.