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More than half of Americans support mass deportations of illegal migrants: poll

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If you wanted to say that you didn't want Muslims because, you know, they're terrorists, then it would have been easier just to say it.
They are a group that represents a greater safety risk due to their ideology, yes, that's a fact. Not all of them are terrorists obviously. But you're just trying to present what I'm saying as negative as possible anyway.
 
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Better kill them first then. Is that the idea? The toll is mounting. A long way north of 30,000 so far. You must feel so much safer.

No.... I'm happy leaving them exactly where they are.

When they start making great neighbors for the Jews they might make good neighbors for me.

As far as any death tolls, last I heard Hamas started this war during a ceasefire, so there's no point having another ceasefire while Hamas is in power.

Anyone who wants to lay any blame for this war needs to be laying it on the doorstep it belongs, squarely on Hamas.

But that's nothing to do with them coming here. I don't owe anyone anything, I certainly don't owe anyone entry into my own county. Immigration is a privilege, not a right.
 
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How is that possible when the Biden admin has allowed approximately 8 million illegals to enter and remain in the U.S. since he took office?

How many did the Trump administration "allow" into the country? How many did all previous presidents "allow" into the country?

That misses the point. When an act of crime is committed by an illegal alien it is that much more outrageous since it never would have happened had said alien not entered the country in the first place. You are defending crime (even) violent crime.

Was Trump defending violent criminals when he hired illegal labor at his resorts?
 
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No.... I'm happy leaving them exactly where they are.

When they start making great neighbors for the Jews they might make good neighbors for me.

As far as any death tolls, last I heard Hamas started this war during a ceasefire, so there's no point having another ceasefire while Hamas is in power.

Anyone who wants to lay any blame for this war needs to be laying it on the doorstep it belongs, squarely on Hamas.

But that's nothing to do with them coming here. I don't owe anyone anything, I certainly don't owe anyone entry into my own county. Immigration is a privilege, not a right.
If I muscled some family out of their house so I could live in it myself and made them all go live in the garage I really wouldn't expect that they would ever be good neighbors.
 
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Was Trump defending violent criminals when he hired illegal labor at his resorts?
If one was trying to keep with standard the rightists have claimed that the illegals are bad people, then yes Trump was probably paying violent criminals when he took on so many illegal workers. We assume some were good people.

The reality is that like American citizens, there is a tiny percentage of people bent on doing criminal acts from those coming over, however the high percentage of people just want work and stability so they can survive and help their families. The American dream....
 
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If I muscled some family out of their house so I could live in it myself and made them all go live in the garage I really wouldn't expect that they would ever be good neighbors.

Uhhh.... No one was "muscled" anywhere.

You do realize that prior to being a Christian I happened to be Muslim yes?

And you are off topic, I'm pretty sure there's a Hamas war thread around somewhere on forum.

Want to get back to immigration and why I don't want Gazans here in America? I can explain in detail why it's unwise unless you're going for terrorist attacks on US soil.

 
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I heard they were gonna take in migrants from Gaza. Which is a terrible idea, considering their religion is Islam and they already blame the West for what's happening to them in Gaza right now under Netanyahu.

Who here thinks it's a good idea to take in migrants from Gaza?
Having Gazans emigrate from their war-torn area would be a diplomatic coup for any administration willing to face the backlash from anti-immigration folk, allow them a large tract in the desert Southwest, and have quasi-autonomy to build the community that they desire.
They’d be a boon to our Nation.
 
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Having Gazans emigrate from their war-torn area would be a diplomatic coup for any administration willing to face the backlash from anti-immigration folk, allow them a large tract in the desert Southwest, and have quasi-autonomy to build the community that they desire.
They’d be a boon to our Nation.
I don't think there are many anti-immigration people, I would guess maybe 1% of the U.S. population. Many Gazans are extremely radicalized, that's why their neighboring countries and other countries have refused to take them in for so long. What we need are those who are willing to assimilate into American culture. We don't need those who hate America or want to establish Sharia law.
 
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Where is the proof that Donald Trump knowingly hired illegal immigrants?
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It took a while, but here we are.

Report: Trump golf course knowingly employed undocumented immigrants​


"The situation is not unique to Trump Organization — it is one that all companies face," said Eric Trump. "It demonstrates that our immigration system is severely broken and needs to be fixed immediately." (Trump the younger blames the government his father is running)

If Biden is responsible for EVERY 'illegal' in America, Trump was responsible for every 'illegal' working for him.

‘My whole town practically lived there’: From Costa Rica to New Jersey, a pipeline of illegal workers for Trump goes back years​

 
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According to the axois.com article, the managers of that golf course knowingly hired 16 illegal immigrants. I am not going to defend that at all. Now, although the liberals appear to love open borders, does this mean that the liberals will own up to the open borders immigration policies that are causing massive problems in cities all across the USA?
 
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According to the axois.com article, the managers of that golf course knowingly hired 16 illegal immigrants. I am not going to defend that at all. Now, although the liberals appear to love open borders, does this mean that the liberals will own up to the open borders immigration policies that are causing massive problems in cities all across the USA?
There is no open border. That is made up in order to promote anger and fear. This is what the rightists are promoting. Please try to stop promoting falsehoods. I have seen this playbook in slow motion all the way back to the 90's with Buchanan and his fearful revelations.. What is ironic is that the former champion of the conservative movement was Ronald Reagan, the President who gave amnesty to millions of 'illegal aliens'. Today, Reagan is either old and forgotten and irrelevant or was a pawn to the Democratic tricksters who got Reagan to give amnesty.

The reality is these foreign workers are needed in order for us lazy Americans to do the landscaping, cooking, construction, butchering, house-cleaning, baby-sitting, taking care of mom or dad in the home and all other kinds of jobs the wealthy Americans require and demand. Supply and demand still rules, and as long as there is demand for work there will be a supply. I am shocked that in the capital of capitalism more people don't understand this.... The battle is with the rich, but since they own the media and communication is it really surprising that all we hear is a divide in left and right? Wake up folks.

Axios Explains: The myth of a U.S.-Mexico "open border"​


Reality check: Since 1992, the U.S. has quadrupled the number of Border Patrol agents — from less than 5,000 to nearly 20,000 today.

  • Barriers, walls, and fences have been erected along portions of the 1,951-mile U.S.-Mexico border, in addition to new Border Patrol outposts and high-tech surveillance systems.
  • The Border Patrol regularly breaks border arrest records, highlighting the difficulty of entering the country illegally.
  • Most recently, Biden decided to go forward with a border wall in South Texas.
  • Lines at ports of entry have gotten longer because of new requirements to enter the U.S., putting pressure to expand hours at newer ports of entry like the one in Santa Teresa, New Mexico.

Behind the "open border" myth​

An Axios review of news stories found that the "open border" language took off during the Obama administration as conservatives worked to thwart planned immigration reform.




  • Obama pulled back from nominating Thomas Saenz, who is now the president of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, to run the Justice Department's civil rights division after conservative pundits falsely claimed he was "an open-borders extremist."
  • Obama was routinely attacked for supporting open borders, though he stepped up deportations and was labeled by immigrant advocates as the "deporter-in-chief."

Zoom out: Today, GOP presidential candidates repeat the false claim that President Biden supports open borders.

  • In two presidential debates, candidates Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy and Mike Pence alluded to open borders with little evidence.
  • Upset over Biden's decision to lift a Trump-era policy, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott denounced Biden for having open border policies, though he didn't define what that was.
What they're saying: "We don't have open borders because the U.S. government is attempting to stop as many people who cross the border as they can," David J. Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, tells Axios.

  • In fact, the Biden Administration is now deporting migrants to Mexico even if they aren't from Mexico.
  • "If the administration was pursuing any kind of open border policy, the number of people being arrested would be dropping. And that's not the case. They're arresting and expelling as many people as ever."
 
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The amazing abilities of liberals to change the definition of words and phrases while ignoring laws in order to fit their point of view is indeed something to behold.
 
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Then we need to stop being so hard to legally immigrate to. My big issue is with making the system so hard while minimizing prosecution of companies hiring illegals.
Agreed. Make it easier for people to immigrate legally. Document them, and help ensure that they're not exploited.

Regarding those who are already here illegally: Look into whether they have criminal records in their countries of origin, whether they have terrorist connections, etc. before deciding whether to deport. If they check out, if their only offense is coming here illegally, then let them stay and help them become legal. Prioritize those who are trying to enter legally, move them to the front of the line ahead of the illegals, but give the ones who are already here illegally a chance to prove themselves.

I don't support illegal immigration, but if we are dealing with decent people who are just seeking a better life, and the legal immigration process was either too difficult or unknown to them, and they aren't otherwise criminals, then I don't think they should be arbitrarily deported. This would be a stop-gap measure. A temporary band-aid until the system can be fixed. We don't want to make a habit of rewarding people for breaking the law.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to prosecute companies for clandestinely hiring individuals who don't legally exist.
 
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They’ve survived the most horrific life that they could have had.
Imagine being born in 2001 in Gaza and have never travelled more than 20 miles from the place your were born and you got through this war and lost your home to bombs and lost family in raids and the USA extends its hands to give your people a new place to live and thrive.

Oh, don’t worry, it won’t “happen”; this country is so fearful about not remaining on the top-of-the-heap that it has focused on the incorrect cause of our eventual fall.
 
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I believe that Jesus Christ would not have allowed the laws to be broken by massive illegal immigration.
Worldly laws, not God’s law. They’re people who are hungry and living in poverty trying to come to a place where they can actually work and make a decent living and people claiming to be Christians (followers of Christ) are slamming the door in their face. Do you think the Underground Railroad was a Christian thing to do? It was illegal to harbor slaves and help them gain passage to freedom. Do you suppose Jesus was opposed to people breaking those laws as well?
 
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Matthew 25:37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’


40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
You will know them by their actions. Matthew 7:13-27 is another relevant passage.
 
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You will know them by their actions. Matthew 7:13-27 is another relevant passage.
Their actions are trying to find work to support themselves and family. Rightists don't want them here because they have been convinced that they are a threat. Fear. They are humans, like you and I. I do not consider them to be vermin.
 
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