More than half of Americans support mass deportations of illegal migrants: poll

[Fantine]

One problem seems to be the length if time it takes for asylum cases to be heard. Hire and train as many immigration lawyers as you need--some on a per diem basis. There are lots of law school graduates chasing after jobs. When immigrants come, house them humanely, right at the border, and when their case comes up and is denied you can immediately send them home.

I would do it by charter flight. House the 90% who are denied humanely till you have a full flight and make your stops.

I do support birthright citizenship, DACA, and pathways to citizenship.

I do support asylum when necessary.

Why the charter flights at our expense? Bringing them safely and humanely back to their starting place makes it less likely they will try again.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Their actions are trying to find work to support themselves and family. Rightists don't want them here because they have been convinced that they are a threat. Fear. They are humans, like you and I. I do not consider them to be vermin.

I don’t consider them to be vermin either and I’m a rightist. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for them to have to leave their family and loved ones behind so they can try to sneak across the boarder to try to find a job so that they can send money home to feed their family. And it’s an extremely hard journey because once they cross the border they have to walk over 60 miles thru desert like terrain before they can get into a vehicle because all of the roads coming from the boarder have checkpoints about 60 miles from the boarder. So going home to visit is a really tough choice for them because of how hard it is to get here. I think a lot of the people in this thread don’t actually think about what they would do if they were in that position and how hard it is on so many levels. I mean just leaving my family for at least a year or two would be devastating enough for me but it’s certainly better than watching them starve knowing that there’s another option. It takes a really tough individual to endure that sacrifice for those he loves.

 

[The Barbarian]

Of course illegal immigration is linked to more crime.

If that were true, El Paso, with a huge population of illegal aliens, would have a high crime rate. Instead, it's got one of the lowest crime rates for an urban area.

In 2022, the most recent year available, the El Paso Police Department reported 1,692 crimes per 100,000 people. Only nine of the nation’s 100 largest cities reported lower crime rates, according to crime data compiled by the FBI.

Fact Brief: Was El Paso one of the safest big cities in the US in 2022?

YES. In 2022, the most recent year available, the El Paso Police Department reported 1,692 crimes per 100,000 people. Only nine of the nation’s 100 largest cities reported lower crime rates, according to crime data compiled by the FBI.

elpasomatters.org

Texas actually keeps track of this issue:
Compared to undocumented immigrants, U.S. citizens were twice as likely to be arrested for violent felonies in Texas from 2012 to 2018, two-and-a-half times more likely to be arrested for felony drug crimes, and over four times more likely to be arrested for felony property crimes, according to a study published by University of Wisconsin–Madison researchers today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Undocumented immigrants far less likely to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens

Crime rates among undocumented immigrants are just a fraction of those of their U.S.-born neighbors, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis of Texas arrest and conviction records.

news.wisc.edu

Ironically, the more illegal immigrants you have in your city, the safer you will be. Just a fact.

 

[The Barbarian]

I don’t consider them to be vermin either and I’m a rightist. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for them to have to leave their family and loved ones behind so they can try to sneak across the boarder to try to find a job so that they can send money home to feed their family.

I worked with them summers in high school and college. It is hard for them, but at that time, they could support a family for a year on what they'd make in three months of railroad labor in the United States. For some of them, it was the only way. They were grateful for the opportunity, and most of them were among the best people I've known. They knew who among them was not trustworthy, and would warn the company about it.

 

[JustOneWay]

I worked with them summers in high school and college. It is hard for them, but at that time, they could support a family for a year on what they'd make in three months of railroad labor in the United States. For some of them, it was the only way. They were grateful for the opportunity, and most of them were among the best people I've known. They knew who among them was not trustworthy, and would warn the company about it.

Same here, and another group of people I know are here in America are working hard and sending money back to the families in the Philippines. The ones I know work in retirement homes taking care of our mothers and fathers.

 

[Valletta]

If that were true, El Paso, with a huge population of illegal aliens, would have a high crime rate. Instead, it's got one of the lowest crime rates for an urban area.

False. Joe Biden is deliberately allowing in the worst of the worst criminals and mentally unstable people from all countries. These people are committing crimes. Democrat leaders pretended that the border was safe, secure, and closed for three years, let's not fall for the new hoax that the criminals and mentally unstable people Joe has allowed into our country are not committing violent crimes.

 

[Valletta]

I worked with them summers in high school and college. It is hard for them, but at that time, they could support a family for a year on what they'd make in three months of railroad labor in the United States. For some of them, it was the only way. They were grateful for the opportunity, and most of them were among the best people I've known. They knew who among them was not trustworthy, and would warn the company about it.

Don't pretend this is about legal immigration, conservatives love to bring in immigrants legally who love our country and wish to become part of the American dream. This is about Joe Biden and Mayorkas letting in criminals, mentally unstable people, and people who hate our country and who have no intention of joining our workforce or adopting American values.

 

[Hans Blaster]

False. Joe Biden is deliberately allowing in the worst of the worst criminals and mentally unstable people from all countries. These people are committing crimes. Democrat leaders pretended that the border was safe, secure, and closed for three years, let's not fall for the new hoax that the criminals and mentally unstable people Joe has allowed into our country are not committing violent crimes.

What evidence do you have to back up this claim?

 

[Valletta]

What evidence do you have to back up this claim?

Unfortunately Mayorkas has not been cooperating with Congress, and has now been impeached. Should the Senate do their duty and demand answers at this trial perhaps we can get some concrete numbers. TdA gang members are committing violent crimes here in the U.S. Venezuela won't take them back. The only ones winning are the Venezuelan citizens:

"Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis."

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[The Barbarian]

Don't pretend this is about legal immigration

These guys were all illegals. Before white nationalism was a thing, no one cared much because they were economically beneficial.

conservatives love to bring in immigrants legally who love our country and wish to become part of the American dream.

That's what illegals want. They aren't here to replace us, they want to take part in it. Reagan was a pro-American conservative. He didn't say "if there's room in the quota." He said:

“n my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.”

 

[Hans Blaster]

Unfortunately Mayorkas has not been cooperating with Congress, and has now been impeached. Should the Senate do their duty and demand answers at this trial perhaps we can get some concrete numbers. TdA gang members are committing violent crimes here in the U.S. Venezuela won't take them back. The only ones winning are the Venezuelan citizens:

"Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis."

So your evidence is just an inference from a report you say hasn't been written or released, or whatever it is you are claiming about DHS.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I am not a robot, why did you ask?

 

[The Barbarian]

"Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis."

The important thing is that immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born Americans. Would you like me to show you again?

Undocumented immigrants far less likely to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens

Crime rates among undocumented immigrants are just a fraction of those of their U.S.-born neighbors, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis of Texas arrest and conviction records.

news.wisc.edu

 

[Valletta]

These guys were all illegals. Before white nationalism was a thing, no one cared much because they were economically beneficial.

Joe Biden's administration flat out lied to the American people for three years. Conservatives called out Joe Biden's administration for three years, and for three years Joe Biden, with the help of the major media, deceived the American people. The busing forced the major media to at least begin to cover some of the disaster. The Biden administration said the border was safe (a lie), closed (a lie) and secure (a lie). We now know Joe and his elite handlers were FLYING in illegals while he was trying to con Congress and the American people. This was an act by the radical American left, not white nationals (the radical left probably outnumbers white nationals at least ten thousand to one). I have been sick for decades over the way immigration has been handled in our country, and I certainly have cared and care. Many immigrants fleeing communist tyranny were denied entry into our country because the American left was in denial about the horrible treatment and sometimes the extermination campaigns by communist countries.

 

[Valletta]

So your evidence is just an inference from a report you say hasn't been written or released, or whatever it is you are claiming about DHS.

I provided an article, didn't you bother to read it? Let me repeat my quote:
"Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis."

CRIMINALS fled and many came to the United States.

 

[Valletta]

The important thing is that immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born Americans. Would you like me to show you again?

Undocumented immigrants far less likely to commit crimes in U.S. than citizens

Crime rates among undocumented immigrants are just a fraction of those of their U.S.-born neighbors, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis of Texas arrest and conviction records.

news.wisc.edu

We have dead American women and children because Joe Biden let in violent foreign criminals, it it not justified because he also lets in many who have not been arrested for violent crimes!!! And those who enter our country illegally are not law-abiding, nor is Joe Biden.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I provided an article, didn't you bother to read it?

Bloomberg links never work for me.

Let me repeat my quote:
"Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis."

CRIMINALS fled and many came to the United States.

And where do they get this information that criminals fled Venezuela for the US? US immigration, Venezuela? Crime has dropped in the US in the last couple years as our economic situation has improved. Has the crisis in Venezuela eased as well?

From the quote you provided, I see one fact reported: reduction of crime in Venezuela, and one inference: migration of criminals (and victims apparently, how does that impact things, do the criminals need a special kind of victim that can't be found anymore?)

 

[Valletta]

Bloomberg links never work for me.

And where do they get this information that criminals fled Venezuela for the US? US immigration, Venezuela? Crime has dropped in the US in the last couple years as our economic situation has improved. Has the crisis in Venezuela eased as well?

From the quote you provided, I see one fact reported: reduction of crime in Venezuela, and one inference: migration of criminals (and victims apparently, how does that impact things, do the criminals need a special kind of victim that can't be found anymore?)

America is much wealthier and soft on crime. The Biden administration has set up a system so good for the criminals that there is no other place on earth where the cartels and Venezuelan gangs can make even close to the easy money they make on human trafficking.

 

[The Barbarian]

We have dead American women and children because Joe Biden let in violent foreign criminals

I just showed you that illegal aliens are more law-abiding than native-born Americans. But of course, Biden restored Obama's policy of deporting criminals first. American women and children died because Trump let them come in and stay.

And those who enter our country illegally are not law-abiding,

If you were right, places like El Paso, with a high number of illegal aliens, would have a high crime rate. But it has one of the lowest crime rates for large cities. There's no way for you to dodge the facts.

nor is Joe Biden.

Joe Biden is a convicted felon? No, there's only one American president who is a convicted criminal. Guess who? Meantime, if you have any evidence for Joe Biden committing crimes, you should get it to James Comer; he's tired of democrats trolling him for wasting all that time and money without finding any such thing. Of course, if you have nothing but wishes, Comer's already got lots of that.

 

[Hans Blaster]

America is much wealthier and soft on crime. The Biden administration has set up a system so good for the criminals that there is no other place on earth where the cartels and Venezuelan gangs can make even close to the easy money they make on human trafficking.

More assertions.

 

[The Barbarian]

America is much wealthier and soft on crime.

Sounds like a testable belief. Let's take a look...

The data don't support that assumption.

The Biden administration has set up a system so good for the criminals that there is no other place on earth where the cartels and Venezuelan gangs can make even close to the easy money they make on human trafficking.

I'm pretty sure why you didn't provide any evidence to support you claims. (Barbarian checks) Ah, here's why...

‘I Thought I Was Going to Die.’ How Donald Trump’s Immigration Agenda Set Back the Clock on Fighting Human Trafficking​

The Horrific Story of One Human-Trafficking Survivor

And how Donald Trump’s immigration agenda made protecting victims like her even more difficult

time.com

Laws against human trafficking ceased to be strongly enforced during the Trump years.