More than half of Americans support mass deportations of illegal migrants: poll

[BCP1928]

America is much wealthier and soft on crime. The Biden administration has set up a system so good for the criminals that there is no other place on earth where the cartels and Venezuelan gangs can make even close to the easy money they make on human trafficking.

And the Cartels arm themselves here, too, because the US is one of the easiest places on Earth to buy guns illegally.

 

[The Barbarian]

And the Cartels arm themselves here, too, because the US is one of the easiest places on Earth to buy guns illegally.

To Trump's credit, he did try to do something about the issue:

Less than six years ago, then-President Donald Trump took on the influential gun lobby after the deadliest massacre in modern U.S. history. He announced that he had told the National Rifle Association that “bump stocks are gone,” arguing they “turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.”

Trump once defied the NRA to ban bump stocks. He now says he 'did nothing' to restrict guns

Donald Trump’s campaign has found itself defending a Supreme Court decision to strike down a ban that he himself had hailed as an achievement on gun control six years ago.

apnews.com

Unfortunately, the years have not been kind to his mental state....

On Friday, Trump’s campaign to return to the White House defended a Supreme Court decision to strike down his own ban on those devices. Trump has been endorsed by the NRA and claimed this year in a speech that he “did nothing” to restrict guns.
(Same source)

I don't think he's lying as much as he's becoming more and more prone to fantasizing whatever reality he wants to have at the time.

 

[Valletta]

And the Cartels arm themselves here, too, because the US is one of the easiest places on Earth to buy guns illegally.

The Obama/Biden administration ran a program called "Fast and Furious" that supplied the Mexican cartels with many weapons. Now cartels and terrorists can obtain some of the billions of dollars of more sophisticated weapons and equipment the Biden administration left behind in Afghanistan. Their alliances with countries like China help them along those lines.

 

[The Barbarian]

The Obama/Biden administration ran a program called "Fast and Furious" that supplied the Mexican cartels with many weapons.

First, it was run out of a local field office, not the Justice Dept. And the practice, which the Bush administration called "Wide Receiver" was started under George W. Bush. It was discontinued under the Obama administration for the obvious reasons.

A program similar to Fast and Furious did go forward under the Bush administration in 2006 and 2007. That program, called Operation Wide Receiver, also attempted to track suspicious weapons. Allowing gun sales to go forward even when the ATF had probable cause to believe the sales were unlawful has come to be known as "gun walking."

The two operations -- Fast and Furious and Wide Receiver -- had some similarities, and both were run out of the ATF’s Phoenix Field Division. The inspector general explored both programs in depth and found similar problems.

"The risk to public safety was immediately evident in both investigations," the inspector general’s report states.
The White House told us that Obama was referring to the general practice of gun walking, which happened in both administrations.

Barack Obama said 'Fast and Furious' began under the Bush administration

President Barack Obama is far ahead with Hispanic voters, but he faced tough questions during a Univision interview at t

www.politifact.com

Atty General Eric Holder banned gun walking under President Obama.

 

[The Barbarian]

Now cartels and terrorists can obtain some of the billions of dollars of more sophisticated weapons and equipment the Biden administration left behind in Afghanistan. Their alliances with countries like China help them along those lines.

When Trump surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban, he apparently promised to leave all that equipment to them. At least that was what they thought he had promised. But it didn't happen. The Army disabled all weapons systems in their possession that they couldn't remove from the country.

Taliban 'angry and disappointed' after US disabled military equipment before leaving Kabul​

Taliban fighters are said to feel "angry" and "betrayed" by the US after discovering that military equipment left behind at Kabul airport had been disabled.

The US decommissioned 27 Humvees and 73 aircraft before leaving Kabul airport on Monday, August 30, to ensure they can never be used again.

In a report by Al Jazeera, the Taliban were said to be surveying the scene of the airport at Kabul following the evacuation of the Brits and US.

They said Taliban fighters were trying to "figure out" how to use the equipment left behind by troops.

"They are disappointed, they are angry, and they say they feel betrayed because all of this equipment is broken beyond repair," said the report.

It added that the Taliban group "expected" the Americans to leave helicopters in one piece for them to use as the new government in charge of Afghanistan.

Taliban 'angry and disappointed' after US disabled military equipment before leaving Kabul | LBC

Taliban fighters are said to feel "angry" and "betrayed" by the US after discovering that military equipment left behind at Kabul airport had been disabled.

www.lbc.co.uk

It is not clear whether Biden overruled Trump and refused to keep the promise Trump made, or if Trump merely lied to the Taliban and never planned to give them the weapons.

If the latter, it's a case of two wrongs making a right.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

When Trump surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban,

Is that what happened? Are you sure?

 

[friend of]

When Trump surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban, he apparently promised to leave all that equipment to them. At least that was what they thought he had promised

That's simply nonsense. Trump has criticized Biden for leaving billions of dollars of weapons and vehicles and equipment for the Taliban. Trump's withdrawal from Afghanistan, had he been allowed to continue, wouldn't have left all of that stuff. Biden has failed supremely in the withdrawal.

 

[BCP1928]

That's simply nonsense. Trump has criticized Biden for leaving billions of dollars of weapons and vehicles and equipment for the Taliban. Trump's withdrawal from Afghanistan, had he been allowed to continue, wouldn't have left all of that stuff. Biden has failed supremely in the withdrawal.

Used military equipment like that is expensive to retrieve--better to disable it where it sits.

 

[friend of]

Used military equipment like that is expensive to retrieve--better to disable it where it sits.

Expensive to what? The military budget of the USA? Unlikely. Why didn't they disable it then? Why'd they leave it all for the Taliban?

 

[Vambram]

Used military equipment like that is expensive to retrieve--better to disable it where it sits.

According to my own military experience, it costs a lot less to bring back military equipment than it would cost to eventually replace that kind of military equipment here in the USA.

 

[Bradskii]

Expensive to what? The military budget of the USA? Unlikely. Why didn't they disable it then?

They did. Why didn't you check?

U.S. troops disabled 170 vehicles, aircraft and weapons systems that they abandoned Monday at the Kabul airport before the remaining American service members in Afghanistan boarded the last flights out of the country, the top U.S. commander in the region said. About 70 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, 27 Humvees and 73 aircraft were “demilitarized” by the U.S. at Hamid Karzai International Airport before they left Kabul for the last time, said Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command. “They’ll never be able to be operated by anyone,” McKenzie said of the equipment. “Most of them were non-mission capable to begin with.”

Read more at: US military says troops disabled equipment before abandoning it at Kabul airport
Source - Stars and Stripes

And from here: Did US Leave More Than $80B Worth of Equipment to the Taliban?

For equipment that couldn't be moved out of country, they tried to destroy or disable it. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the head of U.S. Central Command, said during a press conference on Aug. 30, 2021:

It's a complex procedure -- it's a complex and time-intensive procedure to break down those systems. So we demilitarized those systems so that they'll never be used again. And they were just a -- we felt it was more important to protect our forces than to bring those systems back.
We have also demilitarized equipment that we did not bring out at of the airport that included a number of MRAPs -- up to 70 MRAPs that we demilitarized that will never be used again by anyone; 27 Humvees, that little tactical vehicle, that will never be driven again.
And additionally, on the ramp at -- at HKIA are a total of 73 aircraft. Those aircraft will never fly again when we left. They'll never be able to be operated by anyone. Most of them were non-mission capable, to begin with, but certainly they'll never be able to be flown again.

 

[Bradskii]

According to my own military experience...

So we either listen to you. Or to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command.

Hmm...

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So we either listen to you. Or to Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command.

Hmm...

It wasn't about money. It was about timing and logistics.

 

[friend of]

They did. Why didn't you check?

U.S. troops disabled 170 vehicles, aircraft and weapons systems that they abandoned Monday at the Kabul airport before the remaining American service members in Afghanistan boarded the last flights out of the country, the top U.S. commander in the region said. About 70 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, 27 Humvees and 73 aircraft were “demilitarized” by the U.S. at Hamid Karzai International Airport before they left Kabul for the last time, said Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command. “They’ll never be able to be operated by anyone,” McKenzie said of the equipment. “Most of them were non-mission capable to begin with.”

Read more at: US military says troops disabled equipment before abandoning it at Kabul airport
Source - Stars and Stripes

And from here: Did US Leave More Than $80B Worth of Equipment to the Taliban?

For equipment that couldn't be moved out of country, they tried to destroy or disable it. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie, the head of U.S. Central Command, said during a press conference on Aug. 30, 2021:

What a waste of $. You're telling me it's more expensive to fuel a helicopter up a few times and fly it back to the mainland USA than it is to disable it and replace it with a new one, costing multi millions of dollars? Gee, I wonder what costs more. A few full tanks of gas or a brand new helicopter.

 

[Bradskii]

It wasn't about money. It was about timing and logistics.

That's right. You can't send equipment away that you might need to protect those you are evacuating until...they have been evacuated. So if we wanted some input from someone who might be in a position to give it to us, then the commander of U.S. Central Command might be the guy to ask.

 

[Bradskii]

What a waste of $.

Take it up with Oompa Loompa. He says it wasn't about money.

You're telling me it's more expensive to fuel a helicopter up a few times and fly it back to the mainland USA than it is to disable it and replace it with a new one, costing multi millions of dollars? Gee, I wonder what costs more. A few full tanks of gas or a brand new helicopter.

Well, as much as I would like to bone up on military logistics when it relates to evacuating citizens, government workers and army, marine and air force personnel from a hostile territory (I'm pretty certain you know nothing about it) I don't have all the necessary details, I'm afraid.

But let me just check. Your question was...let me see...why didn't they disable the equipment? I'm surprised that you didn't check before asking, but now you know. They did.

If you want some further details, then call Marine Central Command and ask for Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie: (813) 827-4296/4297. Let us know what he says.

 

[friend of]

Take it up with Oompa Loompa. He says it wasn't about money.

Well, as much as I would like to bone up on military logistics when it relates to evacuating citizens, government workers and army, marine and air force personnel from a hostile territory (I'm pretty certain you know nothing about it) I don't have all the necessary details, I'm afraid.

But let me just check. Your question was...let me see...why didn't they disable the equipment? I'm surprised that you didn't check before asking, but now you know. They did.

If you want some further details, then call Marine Central Command and ask for Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie: (813) 827-4296/4297. Let us know what he says.

Well gee whiz. How much $ in fuel did it take to fly a helicopter to Afghanistan. How much $ would it take to simply fuel it up and fly it back to the USA? Would it cost more or less than deactivating it and purchasing a brand new one. I wonder. Did they "deactivate" all the firearms that were left there by removing the firing pins from each gun?

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon.

 

[Pommer]

America is much wealthier and soft on crime. The Biden administration has set up a system so good for the criminals that there is no other place on earth where the cartels and Venezuelan gangs can make even close to the easy money they make on human trafficking.

We’re too nice and don’t lock-up enough of the correct people?
We’re about 6th in all the world for the rate at which we lock people away…how is that “soft of crime”?

 

[Bradskii]

Well gee whiz. How much $ in fuel did it take to fly a helicopter to Afghanistan. How much $ would it take to simply fuel it up and fly it back to the USA? It doesn't take a rocket surgeon.

You will really have to ring the general so he can explain it to your satisfaction. With your seeming expertise in Marine fighting equipment logistics I think he'll be glad you rang so he can pick your brains.

And check with @Hans Blaster - he actually is a rocket surgeon.

 

[friend of]

You will really have to ring the general so he can explain it to your satisfaction. With your seeming expertise in Marine fighting equipment logistics I think he'll be glad you rang so he can pick your brains.

And check with @Hans Blaster - he actually is a rocket surgeon.

No, i get it. The defense contractors want more money and this botched withdrawal gives them an excuse to produce all the hardware and vehicles and whatnot that's been abandoned in Afghanistan. Biden is a pro war, pro military industrial complex president.