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I'll stick to primary sources thanks.websites, books, literature, videos, sermons, etc. etc. - take your pick
That would be occultic material. Thanks. Or you can look up Charles Spurgeon's last sermon on the topic of Christmas. How's that for a primary source??I'll stick to primary sources thanks.
yeah right and ignorance is bliss.It's only a "problem" if you dwell on it and make it so.
No, I'm speaking of how the Church came to choose which day to celebrate the birth of Christ. The feast day of the Annunciation of Mary had already been established on March 25, as this is a much more significant event in terms of our salvation than Christ's birth, since this was the moment God became man. Some regions of the Church had already begun celebrating the birth of Christ, but it was combined with the Feast of Epiphany, Christ's baptism, when all three persons of the Holy Trinity were witnessed by those present, and the Church deemed it worthy to establish its own feast day which was set 9 months after the day celebrating His conception. The same is true for the feast days celebrating the conception and subsequent birth of John the Forerunner (Sep 23 & Jun 24) as well as Mary (Dec 9 & Sep 8), nine months. Nothing pagan behind the choice, just the steady development of the liturgical calendar, eventually sanctifying every day of the year.That would be occultic material. Thanks. Or you can look up Charles Spurgeon's last sermon on the topic of Christmas. How's that for a primary source??
That is ludicrous. Did God or Jesus ever command us to "compete against them?"
Isn't that great? We live in countries that we can do just that..You are free to do as you please. I don't really care.
I love it when people say this.. I never know if they are referring to themselves or the poster that they are quoting.....yeah right and ignorance is bliss.
Christmas has always been a joke. It’s a pagan holiday, always has been, and always will be
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Messiah of Israel - even for Christians celebrating it as the birth of the Messiah, it’s a vain tradition that’s abominable in the eyes of God
Indeed that was what the church did on order accommodate. She did not separate did she? Yes or no?Instead she embraced by co-mingling with pagan religions. That is what the history of the Roman Catholic church shows. It is called syncretized religion. Why do you think even today people who convert to Roman Catholicism do not give up their native religious beliefs/rituals? The Roman Catholic church and Constantine accommodated. Centuries later, Protestants have also accommodated. That sir is a fact.I simply was keeping the historic record correct. That is what the church did, like it or not. She did not accommodate the pagan celebrations as had been claimed.
Indeed we can agree to disagree.Isn't that great? We live in countries that we can do just that..
God bless.
Indeed it does. You watch your back and I'll watch mine.I love it when people say this.. I never know if they are referring to themselves or the poster that they are quoting.....
This door... it swings both ways...
Thousands of Christians will be playing Santa clause lying to there kids and others and trying to convince people they are celebrating the birth of the Messiah
Except they needed to believe in the Catholic faith to be part of the Church.Indeed that was what the church did on order accommodate. She did not separate did she? Yes or no?Instead she embraced by co-mingling with pagan religions. That is what the history of the Roman Catholic church shows. It is called syncretized religion. Why do you think even today people who convert to Roman Catholicism do not give up their native religious beliefs/rituals? The Roman Catholic church and Constantine accommodated. Centuries later, Protestants have also accommodated. That sir is a fact.
When you make such a claim about Constantine, which in fact has no historical basis, that is when I know that your choice of websites, books, literature, videos, sermons, etc. are just parroting the same false claims.Indeed that was what the church did on order accommodate. She did not separate did she? Yes or no?Instead she embraced by co-mingling with pagan religions. That is what the history of the Roman Catholic church shows. It is called syncretized religion. Why do you think even today people who convert to Roman Catholicism do not give up their native religious beliefs/rituals? The Roman Catholic church and Constantine accommodated. Centuries later, Protestants have also accommodated. That sir is a fact.
There is quite a bit of evidence that the Christian Church took over existing pagan holidays and relabeled the pagan holidays by reworking them and refashioning them in their image.
Excerpt from the article: Christmas - New World Encyclopedia
The historical development of Christmas is quite fascinating. According to the Bible, Jesus' birth was celebrated by many well-wishers including the Magi who came bearing gifts. The early Christians in the Roman Empire wished to continue this practice but found that celebrating Jesus' birth was very dangerous under Roman rule, where being a Christian could be punishable by death. Thus, Christians began to celebrate Christ’s birthday on December 25, which was already an important pagan festival, in order to safely adapt to Roman customs while still honoring Jesus' birth.
This is how Christmas came to be celebrated on the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, and it was from the pagan holiday that many of the customs of Christmas had their roots. The celebrations of Saturnalia included the making and giving of small presents (saturnalia et sigillaricia). This holiday was observed over a series of days beginning on December 17 (the birthday of Saturn), and ending on December 25 (the birthday of Sol Invictus, the "Unconquered Sun"). The combined festivals resulted in an extended winter holiday season. Business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling and singing, and nudity was relatively common. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.[3]
The feast of Sol Invictus on December 25 was a sacred day in the religion of Mithraism, which was widespread in the Roman Empire. Its god, Mithras, was a solar deity of Persian origin, identified with the Sun. It displayed its unconquerability as "Sol Invictus" when it began to rise higher in the sky following the Winter Solstice—hence December 25 was celebrated as the Sun's birthday. In 274 C.E., Emperor Aurelian officially designated December 25 as the festival of Sol Invictus.
Evidence that early Christians were observing December 25 as Jesus' birthday comes from Sextus Julius Africanus's book Chronographiai (221 C.E.), an early reference book for Christians. Yet from the first, identification of Christ's birth with a pagan holiday was controversial. The theologian Origen, writing in 245 C.E., denounced the idea of celebrating the birthday of Jesus "as if he were a king pharaoh." Thus Christmas was celebrated with a mixture of Christian and secular customs from the beginning, and remains so to this day.
* I recommend reading the rest of the article on its original site*
Speak for yourself, I love celebrating the birth of my Lord.
I don't think it has anything to do with "ignorance". People who know... don't care.yeah right and ignorance is bliss.
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