Modern Day Christmas has turned into a joke.

[prodromos]

There is an overwhelming abundance of evidence. Is your reply based on any research of your own??

What you mean is that there are a hundred websites which post the same erroneous conclusions based on pseudo history.

 

[prodromos]

Christmas is like the golden calf - we might think it honors God, but it really doesn’t. The Israelites thought the golden calf honored God - they even dedicated to God and were going to hold a celebration to God with it - but it was abominable and God did not accept it.

Celebrating a pagan feast such as Christmas, and trying to worship God with it it, is just as bad as building a golden calf and trying to worship God with it.

Christmas and Easter are about Satan, not God and Jesus. They are satanic pagan holidays that venerate the devil, and many people have been misled into thinking that these demonic holidays honor God. Not so.

The holy days in the Bible, listed in Leviticus 23, have to do with God & Jesus and the plan of God’s salvation through the Messiah, not the pagan holidays of Easter & Christmas.

You sound just like the pharisees who claimed Jesus cast out demons by Beelzebub. Hopefully you speak out of ignorance.

 

[prodromos]

Easter also has some hijacked pagan rituals attached to it. I knew that both Christmas and Easter had some pagan origins attached to them but I never really looked into it in detail until I started reading this thread. I have to say that I'm astonished about what I've learned about these pagan origins.

There are plenty of threads on this forum where those claims have been thoroughly debunked.

 

[redleghunter]

I dont think many Christians even know what they are truly celebrating on Christmas now.

Its not the birth of Christ, if it is, they are making a total mockery of his birth.

The day has now turned in a commercial retail holiday, in which Santa Claus is greater than Jesus and these same merchants that dont care and probably dont even believe in Jesus have no problem selling Christians all sorts of junk, making them rich, and sending them into debt they will probably be paying off til the next Xmas, and all this sales on on the basis of a lie of Jesus birthday being Dec 25th.

Merry Christmas will probably offend or get a person almost fired from their job, and a nativity scene is almost pretty much a no now adays.

Christmas trees, Elves, reindeer, a fat man going down your chimney, mistletoe, and yule logs have zero to do with Christ and are all based on Pagan sungod worship, yet many Christians that claim the day is about Jesus for them, all have some or all of these symbols as part of their Christmas celebration.

Starting to think God probably hates our modern day Christmas.

Nail on the head and there is even a Lutheran Satire video which addresses this. It’s very good.

 

[redleghunter]

There are plenty of threads on this forum where those claims have been thoroughly debunked.

Joining you in feeling that pain too!

The early church theologians were quite thorough in researching the conception of John the Baptist. Most agreed that was sometime after the Day of Atonement. That convinced some church fathers that Jesus was conceived some 6 months later based on Luke 1. So that would put the Incarnation sometime in the March-April timeframe depending on the church father. Thus December for the West and January for the East.

It’s not pagan in origin at all. It’s an estimation based on Biblical evidence.

 

[corinth77777]

I dont think many Christians even know what they are truly celebrating on Christmas now.

Its not the birth of Christ, if it is, they are making a total mockery of his birth.

The day has now turned in a commercial retail holiday, in which Santa Claus is greater than Jesus and these same merchants that dont care and probably dont even believe in Jesus have no problem selling Christians all sorts of junk, making them rich, and sending them into debt they will probably be paying off til the next Xmas, and all this sales on on the basis of a lie of Jesus birthday being Dec 25th.

Merry Christmas will probably offend or get a person almost fired from their job, and a nativity scene is almost pretty much a no now adays.

Christmas trees, Elves, reindeer, a fat man going down your chimney, mistletoe, and yule logs have zero to do with Christ and are all based on Pagan sungod worship, yet many Christians that claim the day is about Jesus for them, all have some or all of these symbols as part of their Christmas celebration.

Starting to think God probably hates our modern day Christmas.

I agree that is commercialized for retell.
And many take part in Santa...etc
But there are somethings very special for those who make it such. And that is giving,
Rather to homeless, charity, good will toward men, children or Orphans. It's a special Holiday that brings families together even if it's just sharing dinner together and seeing cousins. I love decorating and playing Gospel Christmas songs, love songs or just happy songs. It's fun to have Bible study parties to introduce one to others and share testemonies. I don't think paganism when I decorate for that was never known to me. And neither do I now....Wearing black is considered pagan to some yet not to me.
But most of all I see it as a matter of the heart. Let every man be convinced in his own heart.
Most of all they didn't have Christmas back in that day.....but they created their gods from trees and worshiped them....Even non Christian don't worship trees they throw them away....

 

[Go Braves]

Haven't folks have been complaining about Christmas since long before modern day? What has changed about it in the past 25 years?

 

[corinth77777]

I did my own research on the origins of Christmas after reading the comments mentioning the pagan origins. I found a couple of interesting articles that mention the history of Christmas and its origianl pagan origins. A couple of the articles I found are History of Christmas and Pagan Roots? 5 Surprising Facts About Christmas. I'm not including the articles that are from Evangelical Christian based sites because of course these sites would defend celebrating Christmas for dear life and they wouldn't be objective. I also found this meme that I thought I would share since it has a specific verse on it.

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What are other ways of the nations....
For Who fastens it with nail and have craftsman chisel it? Main point is most likely they worshiped it .

Witches wear black, so everyone should not wear black.

Kadalini meditate, so everyone should not meditate.

Whoredom wear jewels, put lipstick on and braid their hair, so stop wearing jewerlry.

Where a person's heart is, their treasure is also...but instead...many people buy trees and throw them away....after Christmas...they did not have a craftsman chisel it into a God......nor nail it..........and I don't know any Christiam or non Christian for that matter that prays and worships it.....They didn't have Christmas back in that day. He was addressing Idol worship to Israel, not decorating.

 

[JacksBratt]

Christmas is like the golden calf - we might think it honors God, but it really doesn’t. The Israelite's thought the golden calf honored God - they even dedicated to God and were going to hold a celebration to God with it - but it was abominable and God did not accept it.

Hardly... the Israelite's worshiped the golden calf because they thought Moses was not coming back... The golden calf had no attachment or significant connection to the God of Israel. Totally unrelated.

Christmas and Easter are about Satan, not God and Jesus.

Are you sure? I don't think that celebrating the birth of Christ, or partaking in the last supper (communion) in remembrance of when Satan was defeated... go over very well with him.

They are satanic pagan holidays that venerate the devil, and many people have been misled into thinking that these demonic holidays honor God. Not so.

So we have heard... ad nauseam...

I guess you should stop going to church on Sunday too... as the sabbath is Saturday.

You could probably find a pagan holiday or celebration on every day that is held as some holy day to honor God.

You have to ask yourself.. is it a holy day being muddied by Satan.. or a Pagan day being taken by Christians?

As far as I'm concerned.... IMO... I will hold Sunday as my Sabbath. I will celebrate the birth of Christ on the 25th of December and I will celebrate Easter at the time indicated by the country that I live in....

Where God dwells... there is no "time".... I don't think He really cares what others are doing on that day... if I am honoring Him and giving Him praise and worship.

The holy days in the Bible, listed in Leviticus 23, have to do with God & Jesus and the plan of God’s salvation through the Messiah, not the pagan holidays of Easter & Christmas.

Again... you better start making Saturday your sabbath.... lest you break your rigid legalistic rules.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sadly, the Christian Christmas is just as fiercely defended and faithfully guarded as the perpetual lie many Christian parents tell their impressionable children that Santa Claus really does exist. I guess it's perfectly acceptable for Christians to just slap a Christian label on any non-Christian holiday they want to celebrate and the holiday will instantly become a Christian holiday. Take your pick. It could be a Pagan holiday or a Jewish holiday or a secular holiday because apparently it doesn't really matter.

I guess Christians could make any holiday from any religion a Christian holiday if they reworked it and refashioned it into the image of the Christian religion and attached Christ's name to it.

What I find hypocritical is not Christians setting aside certain days to worship and remember pointed events in our history as they relate to our Savior...

NO... it is non Christians, atheists and people who hold this view that you are presenting.... continuing to take their holidays, Christmas bonuses and all the other pomp and ceremony that goes with it, as if it is fine....

If people do not believe in Christ... do not hold the Christian bible as truth and do not think that we are honoring God by celebrating these days... then MAN UP.. Tell you boss that he can keep the Christmas bonus.. that you will work Christmas and boxing day as if it is any other normal week day and move on. Don't put up a tree.. don't buy gifts.. don't read the scriptures of Luke, don't hang lights... don't promote the Church Christmas program and don't sing the Christmas hymns.

 

[JacksBratt]

Celsus, a 2nd century pagan apologist, in speaking of Christianity wrote "Are our [pagan] beliefs to be accounted myths and theirs [Christians] believed? What reasons do the Christians give for the distinctiveness of their beliefs? In truth, there is nothing at all unusual about what the Christians believe."

What we believe and the day that others think we should celebrate these events on... is two separate issues.
I say.. who in the world is "Celsus" and what do I care what they think if they don't believe in my savior... their ideas mean nothing and they are dead. I am alive and I will live for eternity.

 

[JacksBratt]

Easter also has some hijacked pagan rituals attached to it. I knew that both Christmas and Easter had some pagan origins attached to them but I never really looked into it in detail until I started reading this thread. I have to say that I'm astonished about what I've learned about these pagan origins.

Tell me what "Pagan rituals" are attached to Easter. Other than a pagan holiday and a Christian holiday were combined to make one common day.... I see nothing in the celebration and ceremonies at my church, or any of the churches that I have attended, that give one sniff of a hint of being connected to "pagan" rituals.

We contemplate the time of the betrayal, trial, torture, crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. We take the Lords supper... that is it.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes Easter has its pagan roots, not to mention Halloween of course as many churches provide an Halloween alternative buy yet still recognize the holiday and participate in it. The Christian church by and large tends to accommodate pagan practices instead of avoiding them. God has his calendar where in the OT he commanded his people to observe certain times and season and celebrate certain festivals. Satan copies the same thing as he has his calendar where his followers observe certain times/seasons especially during the solstice and equinox dates. The church no longer follows God's calendar but adopts Satan's.

So, pick another day and celebrate it then... if it bothers you that much..
As for me.. I'll stick with all the other Christians, celebrating Christ on days that we have indicated to do so...
There is not one hint, sniff, whiff or drop of any respect, honor or credit to Satan on these days. And.... he knows it.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are correct in that the church did not want to upstage the pagan celebrations. However the problem is that it amounts to accommodation instead of being the light in the midst of darkness; allows the leaven to mixed in. That is called sycretism which the Roman Catholic Church is famous for. It results in a tepid church and a watered down gospel. The historical record is that the early church Fathers never celebrated Jesus' birth. The Puritans in New England were against Christmas which resulted in it being banned in Boston from 1659 - 1681 as they considered Christmas as an unholy pagan ritual. Even Charles Spurgeon did not look favorably on celebrating Christmas. Now days both Catholics and Protestants celebrate Christmas despite its pagan roots. You can decorate the tree (pun intended) to look differently, but its roots remain intact.

It's only a "problem" if you dwell on it and make it so.

 

[JacksBratt]

Nail on the head and there is even a Lutheran Satire video which addresses this. It’s very good.

Many may not know... who's fault is that? Not mine... my family knows and they celebrate the day due to biblical truth.

If others do not know... it is a failure of ours who should tell them.

Ever wonder why it became politically incorrect to say "Merry Christmas" in Canada and the US?.... I'll tell you that it wasn't because it honored Satan.. Nor was it because it coincided with a Pagan holiday....

NO... it was because it presented the biblical fact that is celebration of the virgin birth of our savior... It marked the beginning of Satan's defeat... That's why.

Now Satan wants to get Christians to believe that it is wrong to celebrate these days........ why are we so gullible to his deceitful ways.

 

[redleghunter]

Many may not know... who's fault is that? Not mine... my family knows and they celebrate the day due to biblical truth.

If others do not know... it is a failure of ours who should tell them.

Ever wonder why it became politically incorrect to say "Merry Christmas" in Canada and the US?.... I'll tell you that it wasn't because it honored Satan.. Nor was it because it coincided with a Pagan holiday....

NO... it was because it presented the biblical fact that is celebration of the virgin birth of our savior... It marked the beginning of Satan's defeat... That's why.

Now Satan wants to get Christians to believe that it is wrong to celebrate these days........ why are we so gullible to his deceitful ways.

You really make a great point here. It is the pagans and haters of all things Christ who rail against any Christian observance.

 

[Oldmantook]

I said that the church did mean to upstage the pagan celebrations. Or perhaps we should say compete against them.

This, if understood, completely wipes out the theory you expounded about the church supposedly accommodating the pagan celebrations, etc., which if true would mean to do the exact opposite thing.

That is ludicrous. Did God or Jesus ever command us to "compete against them?" Instead we are commanded to abstain and refuse to recognize/participate in their celebrations. Just where in the OT did God command the Israelites to compete against their pagan enemies' celebrations? You won't find it. Instead God instructed the Israelites to observe God's own holy days according to His calendar - not Satan's calendar.

 

[Strong in Him]

Christmas is like the golden calf - we might think it honors God, but it really doesn’t.

Depends how you celebrate it.
If you spend money you haven't got on expensive gifts, food, decorations and lots of booze, if you don't give a second thought to those less well off, if you skip church to prepare your Christmas meal, then sit around watching tv all day - then it probably doesn't glorify God.

But if you buy thoughtful gifts and give money to the poor/homeless, if you go to carol services, read, and don't just listen, to the accounts in Scripture, if you live Christmas day for the Lord, as hopefully you live every other day for him - then he is at the centre and receives glory.

 

[Oldmantook]

What you mean is that there are a hundred websites which post the same erroneous conclusions based on pseudo history.

websites, books, literature, videos, sermons, etc. etc. - take your pick

 

[Oldmantook]

So, pick another day and celebrate it then... if it bothers you that much..
As for me.. I'll stick with all the other Christians, celebrating Christ on days that we have indicated to do so...
There is not one hint, sniff, whiff or drop of any respect, honor or credit to Satan on these days. And.... he knows it.

You are free to do as you please. I don't really care.