Missing link was a lie

[dingdong]

driewerf to dad:


dad doesn't understand the questions. He doesn't understand what science is, let alone what it is telling us, so the questions he's asked about the universe don't mean anything to him. All that happens in his brain when he reads those questions is 'abort, retry, fail?'

Who would you say did that to dad? and why were they allowed to get away with it?
he has been damaged, in my opinion, beyond repair.

 

[dad]

You claim light was in a different state. I wonder still in what way it was different. I suggested some possibilities to make it easier for you. So, ok, the Planck constant was the same before the split as after. So gain, in what way was light different?

You really fail to answer all the questions.

No, who said a PHYSICAL constant was the same before the split?? Why or how could that be?? Light in a physical only shere, or area, or universe, that was also composed of the spiritual element as well as the physical. That means the whole balance, and result is not the same. So, the light that must exist in a physical only state would reflect the laws, and forces, and limitations imposed by existing in that state. All we see is the bit that is here and can exist here. The differences are far beyond merely remixing the physical only...it involves what is not here now the spiritual. Get it? So, some properties of eternal light we will find in the book that talks of the spiritual also future or past. ...

 

[dad]

driewerf to dad:


dad doesn't understand the questions. He doesn't understand what science is, let alone what it is telling us, so the questions he's asked about the universe don't mean anything to him. All that happens in his brain when he reads those questions is 'abort, retry, fail?'

No, a place for everything and everything in it's place. If we are looking at the creation state, the present has no place. get it?

 

[Tomatoman]

Who would you say did that to dad? and why were they allowed to get away with it?

The people where he grew up, almost certainly. Probably starting with his family and immediate social circle and extending to the whole community where he grew up, which is one of many such communities living in certain states in america that are strictly controlled by church and fundamental religion. Why are they allowed to get away with it? Beats me. Personally I think they should all be given psychiatric treatment.

he has been damaged, in my opinion, beyond repair.

Yep, 'fraid so.The insane gibberish of his last two posts would confirm this, not that any further proof is really needed. The case is closed on dad. By any normal standards he's cuckoo. But I guess if he's happy it doesn't really matter.

 

[driewerf]

No, who said a PHYSICAL constant was the same before the split??

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Euh.... You did.
Here:

"The Planck constant (denoted h), also called Planck's constant, is a physical constant used to describe the sizes of quanta of action in quantum mechanics, specifically as angular momentum in the atomic structure. "

Planck constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Need I say more.. ????

 

[mpok1519]

Not sure who you are addressing. Or what you think someone needs to look up. Work on clarity.
Apparently, you think you have some point in DNA. Care to spit it out???
All that prevents anyone from getting your point, is that you up and forgot to actually say it. Scared??

Abort retry fail!

Dude; you asked me some questions; I responded to those quesions with what people on earth call answers.

A hyrax and elephant's DNA is extremely similiar. Percentage wise I don't know. But they also use the two's very similiar jaw and dental strucutures to assertain the two are related species. I said this in plain English like five times already and you ignore it.

I don't have a problem with clarity; you have a problem with listening. You think you're right so much that you won't even listen to the real answers?

What degree from what college do you have again? Just to check credentials.

 

[dad]

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Euh.... You did.
Here:

Nope. That was a quote from wiki or some place. It was used to make a point. That point, which you apprently missed, was that, since the PC YOU mentioned was merely a physical constant, it did NOT apply.

 

[dad]

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A hyrax and elephant's DNA is extremely similiar. Percentage wise I don't know. But they also use the two's very similiar jaw and dental strucutures to assertain the two are related species. I said this in plain English like five times already and you ignore it.

You toss it out, and say it, yes..so?? In what way are they related? Dental 'structures', and jaw?? DNA?? Can you explain more the similarities?

You need to do more than toss out a sentence or two to make this an elephant.

What degree from what college do you have again? Just to check credentials.

Apparently not enough education to imagine a little trunk on this thing. Maybe you can overwhelm us with evidence, so as to make that easy.

 

[mpok1519]

They share ninety percent DNA.

They also share many similiar features such as tusks(they're small on the hyrax), padded feet, and jaw structures.

Some believe that sirenians(manatees, dugongs and sea cows) are closer in lineage, however. But this lends to the idea that animals dot need to look entirely like their relatives.

It's all avaliable on wikipedia. You're a big boy; you can look this info up for yourself, and it's actually from credible sources, unlike this dodwell joker.

 

[sandwiches]

They share ninety percent DNA.

They also share many similiar features such as tusks(they're small on the hyrax), padded feet, and jaw structures.

Some believe that sirenians(manatees, dugongs and sea cows) are closer in lineage, however. But this lends to the idea that animals dot need to look entirely like their relatives.

It's all avaliable on wikipedia. You're a big boy; you can look this info up for yourself, and it's actually from credible sources, unlike this dodwell joker.

But but but... it doesn't LOOK like an elephant! /s

 

[mpok1519]

Dad doesn't know that related species don't always look too similiar.

Which explains why the "missing link" doesn't look like a human, but it doesn't have to.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ho hum. Kids, Isn't it time to not believe a lying word these dreamers say to begin with?

Why?

They got what they wanted,* didn't they?

* The chance to celebrate; 15 minutes of fame; their names in print; whatever.

 

[Omceer]

mmm
I believed in evolution for a while...
then I started noticing how often an article would pop up saying "MISSING LINK DISCOVERED!!!" and there'd be a large fuss over it, but it was just something tiny and insignificant, and then I started looking at how LARGE these "links" were, and to follow the path of evolution takes a lot more blind faith than following the path of creation and God.
Longest run-on sentence ever...

 

[AV1611VET]

Longest run-on sentence ever...

Full of truth, though.

 

[Omceer]

Full of truth, though.

I'm a very level headed, logical guy.
I can see truth when it pokes its nose out and although there are some pieces of evidence to support evolution, it is still an assumption with much more guess work interlaced into it.

Faith in God, well thats just plain simple...

It's when people combine the two that things get haywire and I won't go too deep into that.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm a very level headed, logical guy.
I can see truth when it pokes its nose out and although there are some pieces of evidence to support evolution, it is still an assumption with much more guess work interlaced into it.

Faith in God, well thats just plain simple...

It's when people combine the two that things get haywire and I won't go too deep into that.

Good for you!

It's nice to see a young adult (comparatively speaking ) with such convictions!

God bless!

 

[biggles53]

I'm a very level headed, logical guy.
I can see truth when it pokes its nose out and although there are some pieces of evidence to support evolution, it is still an assumption with much more guess work interlaced into it.

You. Have. To. Be. Kidding.....!

There are literally TONS of evidence supporting evolutionary theory! It is, whether you care to recognise it or not, currently the BEST evidenced and supported theory in all of science...yes, even more so than gravitational theory, atomic theory, germ theory.....etc! ALL of modern biology is predicated on the explanation that evolutionary theory gives us regarding the diversity of life!

Faith in God, well thats just plain simple...

Simple minded..? Yeah...works for me........

It's when people combine the two that things get haywire and I won't go too deep into that.

No, creationists trying to sell their waffle as 'science' is a bit emabarrassing, isn't it.......?

 

[Omceer]

I will not deny that species on this planet evolve, because they most certainly do, whether it's to ward off predators, vestigial structures, more food, better survival, etc.

But the leaps and bounds it take to get from a chimp to a human, are enormous.

But you have got to imagine that there had to be even more species out there that were similar as well but didnt adapt in time and now they are extinct.
Perhaps they are what we are finding, when there is no actual linkage.

Its always gonna be an argument. Until Hellfire rains down upon this earth there is the greatest chance that there wont be any actual physical, tangible truth that tells the entire story without flaw or contradiction.

 

[Pwnzerfaust]

I will not deny that species on this planet evolve, because they most certainly do, whether it's to ward off predators, vestigial structures, more food, better survival, etc.

But the leaps and bounds it take to get from a chimp to a human, are enormous.

Humans didn't evolve from chimpanzees. Humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor which was neither chimp nor human.

But you have got to imagine that there had to be even more species out there that were similar as well but didnt adapt in time and now they are extinct.

Yes indeed. We've found at least a dozen, probably more, species that were either direct ancestors of humans, or closely related, that went extinct for various reasons. And that's just our little twig of the tree. There're numerous species of horses that all evolved from a common ancestor that didn't make it to the present. Same goes for every single sort of animal and plant alive. The ones we see alive are the ones that out-competed their ancestor species, or non-ancestral competitors.

Perhaps they are what we are finding, when there is no actual linkage.

Genetic, morphological, biogeographical, and fossil records all show clear linkage. I'm going to quote two paragraphs from a review of a book I have not yet had a chance to read, called The Greatest Show On Earth by Richard Dawkins, which deals with the evidence for evolution.

Even more evidence for evolution comes from the "bad designs" of animals and plants, which, Dawkins observes, look nothing like de novo creations of an efficient celestial engineer. His favorite example--and mine--is the recurrent laryngeal nerve, which runs from the brain to the larynx. In mammals it doesn't take the direct route (a matter of a few inches) but makes a curiously long detour, running from the head to the heart, looping around the aorta and then doubling back up to the neck. In the giraffe, this detour involves traversing that enormous neck twice--adding about fifteen feet of superfluous nerve. Anyone who's dissected an animal in biology class will surely agree with Dawkins's conclusion: "the overwhelming impression you get from surveying any part of the innards of a large animal is that it is a mess! Not only would a designer never have made a mistake like that nervous detour; a decent designer would never have perpetuated anything of the shambles that is the criss-crossing maze of arteries, veins, nerves, intestines, wads of fat and muscle, mesenteries and more."

Creationists often object to this sort of argument, saying that it's not scientific but theological. God is inscrutable, they claim, so how could we possibly know how he would or would not design creatures? But this misses the point, for the "bad design" we see is precisely what we'd expect if evolution were true. The laryngeal nerve takes that long detour because, in our fishy ancestors, it was lined up behind a blood vessel, with both nerve and vessel servicing the gills. As the artery moved backward during its evolution to the mammalian aorta, the nerve was constrained to move behind it, although its target (the larynx, an evolutionary descendant of the gill arch) remained up in the neck. If you insist that such designs reflect God's plan, then you must admit that his plan was to make things look as if they had evolved.

(source)

Its always gonna be an argument. Until Hellfire rains down upon this earth there is the greatest chance that there wont be any actual physical, tangible truth that tells the entire story without flaw or contradiction.

Of course there's going to be flaws, since evidence gets destroyed over time, and other such things which make dealing with the distant past so difficult. But just because we don't have every single minute detail doesn't mean we're pretty much correct. You don't need every single frame of a movie to get the gist behind it.

 

[biggles53]

I will not deny that species on this planet evolve, because they most certainly do, whether it's to ward off predators, vestigial structures, more food, better survival, etc.

Excellent! We've made some progress already.....! The bottom line about the evolutionary process is that those characteristics within the gene pool which permit a higher degree of reproductive success will proliferate throughout the pool....

But the leaps and bounds it take to get from a chimp to a human, are enormous.

Even greater than you think! Because, as has already been pointed out, no such "leap" has ever been suggested.......

But you have got to imagine that there had to be even more species out there that were similar as well but didnt adapt in time and now they are extinct.

Millions more. Around 98% of the species that have ever walked, crawled, swum or slimed on this planet are now extinct.

Perhaps they are what we are finding, when there is no actual linkage.

We rely on much more than what we "find". The fossil record is magnificent, but we gain our evidence from many other pathways as well.....

Its always gonna be an argument. Until Hellfire rains down upon this earth there is the greatest chance that there wont be any actual physical, tangible truth that tells the entire story without flaw or contradiction.

There is no "truth" in science. That's what allows us to keep seeking for greater knowledge. Only outmoded scribblings of superstitious goatherders claim to contain "truth"......trouble is, they've been shown to be wrong sooooo many times....!