Missing link was a lie

[AV1611VET]

Yes indeed. We've found at least a dozen, probably more, species that were either direct ancestors of humans, or closely related, that went extinct for various reasons.

What you have found, in my opinion, are the bones of human beings who have died of various deformities.

 

[BananaSlug]

Someone who "believed in evolution" then turned to creationism didn't have a very good understanding of evolution in the first place. FACT.

 

[AV1611VET]

Someone who "believed in evolution" then turned to creationism didn't have a very good understanding of evolution in the first place. FACT.

And someone who believes in the Creation Event, but turns to evolution doesn't have a very good understanding of evolution, either.

 

[BananaSlug]

And someone who believes in the Creation Event, but turns to evolution doesn't have a very good understanding of evolution, either.

How so?

 

[Omceer]

Someone who "believed in evolution" then turned to creationism didn't have a very good understanding of evolution in the first place. FACT.

No..
I took an entire class on Early humans and I did a lot of spare research just because it was something I was interested in.
And my ideas didn't just change over night they changed ver the course of three years.

 

[Tomatoman]

Omceer:

No..
I took an entire class on Early humans and I did a lot of spare research just because it was something I was interested in.
And my ideas didn't just change over night they changed ver the course of three years.

Just out of interest, which textbook(s) were you working from and which books by which authors did you read as additional research?

 

[Split Rock]

What you have found, in my opinion, are the bones of human beings who have died of various deformities.

Considering that you know nothing about anatomy, I would say your opinion on the matter is useless.

 

[Split Rock]

mmm
I believed in evolution for a while...
then I started noticing how often an article would pop up saying "MISSING LINK DISCOVERED!!!" and there'd be a large fuss over it, but it was just something tiny and insignificant, and then I started looking at how LARGE these "links" were, and to follow the path of evolution takes a lot more blind faith than following the path of creation and God.
Longest run-on sentence ever...

Blind faith? All the physical evidence infers common descent. None infers "creation and God."

I'm a very level headed, logical guy.
I can see truth when it pokes its nose out and although there are some pieces of evidence to support evolution, it is still an assumption with much more guess work interlaced into it.

Faith in God, well thats just plain simple...

It's when people combine the two that things get haywire and I won't go too deep into that.

If there is evidence to support evolution, why do you claim it is an "assumption?"

I will not deny that species on this planet evolve, because they most certainly do, whether it's to ward off predators, vestigial structures, more food, better survival, etc.

But the leaps and bounds it take to get from a chimp to a human, are enormous.

But you have got to imagine that there had to be even more species out there that were similar as well but didnt adapt in time and now they are extinct.
Perhaps they are what we are finding, when there is no actual linkage.

Its always gonna be an argument. Until Hellfire rains down upon this earth there is the greatest chance that there wont be any actual physical, tangible truth that tells the entire story without flaw or contradiction.

Funny how we are closer to chimpanzees genetically, then chimpanzees are to gorillas.There must be a lot more "leaps and bounds" to cross the chimp-gorilla gap then. You claim evolution occurs, but like most creationists you insist on setting artificial boundaries when it comes to the origin of our own species. That is nothing more than special pleading and arrogance.

 

[AV1611VET]

We've found at least a dozen, probably more, species that were either direct ancestors of humans, or closely related, that went extinct for various reasons.

What you have found, in my opinion, are the bones of human beings who have died of various deformities.

Considering that you know nothing about anatomy, I would say your opinion on the matter is useless.

Sweet!

I have a useless opinion on subspecies of humans!

Thank you!

 

[AV1611VET]

Funny how we are closer to chimpanzees genetically, then chimpanzees are to gorillas.

And yet we're called: man-kind.

Jas 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

 

[Split Rock]

And yet we're called: man-kind.

Jas 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:

Are starfish fish? Are they stars? They must be both, since they are called star-fish.

 

[BananaSlug]

No..
I took an entire class on Early humans and I did a lot of spare research just because it was something I was interested in.
And my ideas didn't just change over night they changed ver the course of three years.

So what did you think of H. heidelbergensis?

 

[Liz in the rain]

No surprise there.

 

[sandwiches]

mmm
I believed in evolution for a while...
then I started noticing how often an article would pop up saying "MISSING LINK DISCOVERED!!!" and there'd be a large fuss over it, but it was just something tiny and insignificant, and then I started looking at how LARGE these "links" were, and to follow the path of evolution takes a lot more blind faith than following the path of creation and God.
Longest run-on sentence ever...

Just a little note on the "Missing link found!" headlines: It's journalists who use those sensationalist headlines to draw in readers, not scientists. If you read the actual papers and research or even just an actual scientific journal, you'll see that the discoveries are presented and explained in a much more understated and tentative manner. But what sells more magazines "Missing link found!!!" or "A possible common lemur/primate ancestor found?"

 

[Omceer]

I had something to say to that then I fell asleep and my laptop died, and I've forgotten what it was I was gonna say.
Oh well.

Perhaps all of these potential links discovered from "lemurs or other primates" are too questionable to consider evidence at all.
I mean, the last article I remember reading was about a few bones from a foot or a hand. Exactly how much are you able to tell with that? You can't determine spine curvature, or skull structure, or the intelligence of the species.
Sure you might be able to determine how tall it was or its approximate weight.
But I think a lot of this evidence is mostly guesswork and followers easily buy into it because there seems to be more logic and possibility in it than creation.

 

[biggles53]

Perhaps all of these potential links discovered from "lemurs or other primates" are too questionable to consider evidence at all.

Or, perhaps some people just WANT them to be questionable! Perhaps some simply shield their eyes from the evidence that is presented to them. And, you should realise that evolutionary theory relies on so much more than just the fossil record. In fact, if we were not so fortunate to have even ONE fossil preserved for us to examine, if there were no fossil record at all, the evidence in favour of evolutionary theory would STILL be overwhelming! Quite frankly, we don't need the fossils to show that this theory is the best possible explanation for life as we witness it...

I mean, the last article I remember reading was about a few bones from a foot or a hand. Exactly how much are you able to tell with that? You can't determine spine curvature, or skull structure, or the intelligence of the species.
Sure you might be able to determine how tall it was or its approximate weight.

You can tell much more. The structure of feet and hands can tell us the size of the animal. Whether it walked upright, or on all fours, or a combination. The feet can tell us the likely weight they had to carry. The hands can tell us the degree of manual dexterity that was possible - an indicator as to whether the creature was capable of climbing for example, or able to use simple tools. We can compare these structures against more complete skeletons of other fossils, in order to make comparisons of other likely functions. And so on.....

But I think a lot of this evidence is mostly guesswork and followers easily buy into it because there seems to be more logic and possibility in it than creation.

Boy, did you say a mouthfull......!!!!

 

[sandwiches]

Perhaps all of these potential links discovered from "lemurs or other primates" are too questionable to consider evidence at all.
I mean, the last article I remember reading was about a few bones from a foot or a hand. Exactly how much are you able to tell with that? You can't determine spine curvature, or skull structure, or the intelligence of the species. But I think a lot of this evidence is mostly guesswork and followers easily buy into it because there seems to be more logic and possibility in it than creation.

The question is not how much can YOU determine from fossils. The question is how much can people who have studied, biology, genetics, taxonomy, anatomy, physiology, geology, etc, determine?

If you think science is guesswork, then I'm afraid you would have to do some strange mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that you're communicating across vast distances almost instantaneously thanks to the same scientific method.

 

[Omceer]

@ Biggles:
I am not closed to the theory of evolution. I am certainly open to it. But I am also open to Creation, I do not believe in one more than the other, nor do I believe that they both happen, I just choose not to side on the issue.
Like I said before, yes evolution does occur, but does it mean we are the ultimate species? Not exactly. There might be another completely different specimen out there that we actually decended from where as Homo Erectus and all the others might not have and eventually died out.
We may never know the truth.

And I am a very complex thinker, which Is why I can easily accept both concepts and weigh them out in my mind. I can see the flaws and the truths in both ideas, but I don't favor one or the other.

@sandwiches:
I don't question science. I question what some of the scientists say.
I am only 18, not even out of highschool, so I mean my knowledge of "the Real world" is very limited. I admit I don't know everything about everything, but I am open like I said, and I am not entirely ignorant as I come across.

I mean, I'm studying to get a degree in Nuclear Physics.
That field alone has severely questionable topics.

 

[Orogeny]

I am not closed to the theory of evolution. I am certainly open to it. But I am also open to Creation, I do not believe in one more than the other, nor do I believe that they both happen, I just choose not to side on the issue.

Why not side with the evidence? Is there a reason to hold a concept with zero evidence in the same esteem as one with quite literally tons of evidence? There are plenty of theistic evolutionists, you know.

Like I said before, yes evolution does occur, but does it mean we are the ultimate species? Not exactly.

Of course not. First you would have to define 'ultimate species'. We're simply one of many species. Yes, by our measure we are the most intelligent species, but what does that really mean from an evolutionary standpoint? It doesn't necessarily mean we are the most fit species.

There might be another completely different specimen out there that we actually decended from where as Homo Erectus and all the others might not have and eventually died out.

That's quite possible. But just because we may not know exactly where we came from doesn't invalidate the theory.

We may never know the truth.

But we're working on it.

And I am a very complex thinker, which Is why I can easily accept both concepts and weigh them out in my mind. I can see the flaws and the truths in both ideas,

As can most of us. The truths (read: evidence) vastly outweigh the flaws when it comes to evolution.

I don't question science. I question what some of the scientists say.

Feel free to do both. You'll learn more.

I mean, I'm studying to get a degree in Nuclear Physics.

Really? Didn't know they gave out degrees in high school.

 

[Tomatoman]

And I am a very complex thinker

Statements like this always worry me.

I mean, I'm studying to get a degree in Nuclear Physics.

You're a graduate student in nuclear physics who stills believes in creationism?

Sorry, I don't believe you.