Missing link was a lie

[driewerf]

I asked you for the biblical evidence for the rapid evolution, you claimed.

How does the bible support rapid evolution? Is there a list of which species split from the other?
Is there such a list? No.

And the dog begat the wolf. And the wolf begat the fox. And the fox begat the dingo.(etc etc)

Otherwise you support your claims by a whole list of biblical verses. I don't accept the bible as an authority, but that's an other discussion. But the fact that you even don't try to sustain your claim with biblical support proves that you absolutely none. Your hypothtetical rapid evolution is a ad hoc hypothesis. An ad hoc hypotheses are always a symptom of being wrong.

The timeline is supported by geneology, and history. We have a narrow time frame from which all things had to happen. The first creatures were in Eden, some 6000 plus years ago.
It is known that the planet was largely not suitable for the creatures of Eden, and man. It is known that animals and man were commanded to spread out, and multiply.

You fail to answer the question. You're repeating that history and "geneology" (what is that?) support your claims. But you fail to give the evidence.

From science, we know that the record of that spread involves a lot of evolving. Connecting the dots is all that is left there.

You mean cherry picking what suits your bias, and ignoring everything that contradict your bias.

Don't expect science to be too big for it's britches. If you do not accept the record of ancient history, or God, then you are left with ignorance. Science cannot support either state! It cannot sustain or refute a biblical claim. Like a 6 year old boy with a cork gun, shooting at a star. It just can't reach, no matter what the kid thinks.

I asked for the biblical evidence for rapid evolution. I didn't ask what science can do or cannot. You fail again.

 

[driewerf]

Another serie of questions you ignored. I copy-paste your claims, together with my questions.

Well, the split is a name for a major universe state change. Somewhat like the total change coming in the future, the new heavens and new earth. In that state, things will be very different. The very fabric of the universe and laws, and forces.

In what way was the fabric different?
Matter wasn't made of atoms? Elektrons didn't orbit the atomic nucleus? The nucleus wasn't build of neutron and protons? So again, in what way was it different?

Which one? the laws of gravitiy? General relativity? Thermodynamics?

For example, the sun will never burn out, but is forever. If science was right, in THIS state, it would burn out. But we will not be in this state.

Ow. Where will it get it's energy from then? What would renew the hydrogen after nuclear fusion? Does this work for all stars, or only for the sun? Do you even know where the sun gets its enegry from, anyway?

The tree of life, rapid pant growth, different properties of matter in creation week, and different light, eternal life, and etc.

How different light? Did light travel at a different speed? Did the Planck-constant differ? You know the h in

I mean, it isn't amazing that light is different in a different state. The question is, how did it differ from "nowadays" light?

This allowed for rapid evolution

I'm still waiting for any evidence.


Quite some answers you have to provide.

 

[dad]

And that timeline is ALL WRONG! It is NOT supported by "history," only by a narrow-minded interpretation of scripture.

Says you. However, the bible timeline is actually pretty well defined. We don't even need to go all the way to Adam. Just go to Noah. There isn't that many sons involved till we get to Abraham. You have no way to say it is wrong, only ignorance of what went down.

Why would your all -powerful and all-knowing God create a planet and an entire universe just for man, but one that is "not suitable" for him? Your theology is ridiculous!

Why would a garden be needed if it wasn't like that? Why bother bring man there? The world did not need to be suitable right away. The garden was lovely. It was only later, that it would be needed. One assumes that it would be suitable, in God's time. Whether little trilobites and wormie thingies and whatnot, was getting it ready, over time, we don't know. I assume that some life was on the planet at large doing good things.

From science we know that 6,000 years is not enough for all such evolving, and from science we know the earth is not only 6,000 years old!

Utterly false. You hing of the sort. What you mean to say, is that, based on the ving, ievw nt woulda coulda, shoulda taken a coon's age. Meaningless. That is not knowledge, it is belief.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

We have multiple lines of evidence from all associated scientific fields, every one of which suggests an old universe (13.7 byo), and an old earth (4.5 byo), and you have what... the bible? Sorry, not even close to good enough. Try again.

 

[mpok1519]

Hyrax; it is the elephant's closest living relative. But it doesn't look like an elephant! Thus must mean the hyrax doesn't exist!!!!!

-laughing at Dad, wondering if he has any real hobbies other than delusion-

 

[Split Rock]

based on the ving, ievw nt woulda coulda, shoulda taken a coon's age.

This is the most sensible thing you've posted here in years, dad.

 

[dad]

I asked you for the biblical evidence for the rapid evolution, you claimed.

You fail to answer the question. You're repeating that history and "geneology" (what is that?) support your claims. But you fail to give the evidence.

No evidence exists fast or slow, fast or slow from science. Does it? You are challenged to prove that slow present evolving was the order of that day.

I asked for the biblical evidence for rapid evolution. I didn't ask what science can do or cannot. You fail again.

Outside of science we have, what? The reocrds. The bible. Do you accept that? Or do you prefer the nothing that science can tell us? The choice is yours. I chose to accept the evidence of the bible. It is apparent that the kinds were all on that ark. We know about when. We know what we have today. The difference is clear. There is only so much to work with.

 

[dad]

This is the most sensible thing you've posted here in years, dad.

Ha. It is funny, since I reinstalled the operating system, I find that typing posts sometimes gets jumbled. Guess I missed correcting that one.

 

[dad]

Hyrax; it is the elephant's closest living relative. But it doesn't look like an elephant! Thus must mean the hyrax doesn't exist!!!!!

..

What makes it the closet relative, precisely? Talk to us about the details. I'm up for a laugh.

 

[dad]

We have multiple lines of evidence from all associated scientific fields, every one of which suggests an old universe (13.7 byo), and an old earth (4.5 byo), and you have what... the bible? Sorry, not even close to good enough. Try again.

You actually have squat. The multiple same state derived wheels on the same state past bus all have one thing in common. Besides the fact they just can't fly to the future or past. They spin round and round right here, no matter how many you stick on the silly thing. No wheel is independent. All wheels are full of same state hot air. All can be easily punctured.

If you can't drive it, park it.

 

[mpok1519]

Look it up; you're a grown up. Learn it directly from the scientists who devote their careers studying the facts, not mythology.

But if you want it summed up so you can understand; DNA. Hilarious right? I mean, that's such a laughable concept! DNA! Ha!

Of course your delusion precludes you from understanding simple basic scientific
concepts. I don't expect you to understand for your delusion is stronger than your ability to do some critical thinking.

 

[biggles53]

I never thought they existed! But now, thanks to dad, I've actually met one!

Henry Morris, resident idiot and co-founder of the Discovery Institute, once famously stated that, when the scriptures are in conflict with what we observe around us, then the scriptures must always be right, and reality wrong...!!

I thought he was just a parody....I really didn't know that there were people so completely out of touch with reality, so completely submerged by their dependence on tales from goatherders, that they thought like that....! That they had an overwhelming need to twist and distort the laws and evidences from nature, so they could shoehorn them into pre-conceived 'rules' of dogma.

Now I have seen.........!!

 

[dad]

I never thought they existed! But now, thanks to dad, I've actually met one!

Henry Morris, resident idiot and co-founder of the Discovery Institute, once famously stated that, when the scriptures are in conflict with what we observe around us, then the scriptures must always be right, and reality wrong...!!

He was right, as it turns out. reality comprises more than the little box you know, that is the present state. This is only part of it.

I thought he was just a parody....I really didn't know that there were people so completely out of touch with reality, so completely submerged by their dependence on tales from goatherders, that they thought like that....! That they had an overwhelming need to twist and distort the laws and evidences from nature, so they could shoehorn them into pre-conceived 'rules' of dogma.

Now I have seen.........!!

Hope it causes you to question the fundamentals of what you were taught. Expand your little horizons.

 

[dad]

Look it up; you're a grown up. Learn it directly from the scientists who devote their careers studying the facts, not mythology.

Not sure who you are addressing. Or what you think someone needs to look up. Work on clarity.

But if you want it summed up so you can understand; DNA. Hilarious right? I mean, that's such a laughable concept! DNA! Ha!

Apparently, you think you have some point in DNA. Care to spit it out???

Of course your delusion precludes you from understanding simple basic scientific
concepts. I don't expect you to understand for your delusion is stronger than your ability to do some critical thinking.

All that prevents anyone from getting your point, is that you up and forgot to actually say it. Scared??

 

[driewerf]

Dad, again you ignored some of my questions:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7446128-55/#post54530713

 

[dad]

Another serie of questions you ignored. I copy-paste your claims, together with my questions.

In what way was the fabric different?
Matter wasn't made of atoms? Elektrons didn't orbit the atomic nucleus? The nucleus wasn't build of neutron and protons? So again, in what way was it different?

Which one? the laws of gravitiy? General relativity? Thermodynamics?

All! Who says any were the same?? Or even here? Prove it!!? Who says that spiritons were not also orbiting, changing the mix??? Or etc?

Ow. Where will it get it's energy from then? What would renew the hydrogen after nuclear fusion? Does this work for all stars, or only for the sun? Do you even know where the sun gets its enegry from, anyway?

All stars. Energy in a forever state is not derived by 'burning down the physical house walls to heat the physical only house'!!!!

How different light? Did light travel at a different speed? Did the Planck-constant differ? You know the h in

I mean, it isn't amazing that light is different in a different state. The question is, how did it differ from "nowadays" light?

"The Planck constant (denoted h), also called Planck's constant, is a physical constant used to describe the sizes of quanta of action in quantum mechanics, specifically as angular momentum in the atomic structure. "

Planck constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Need I say more.. ????

 

[driewerf]

How different light? Did light travel at a different speed? Did the Planck-constant differ? You know the h in

I mean, it isn't amazing that light is different in a different state. The question is, how did it differ from "nowadays" light?

"The Planck constant (denoted h), also called Planck's constant, is a physical constant used to describe the sizes of quanta of action in quantum mechanics, specifically as angular momentum in the atomic structure. "

Planck constant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Need I say more.. ????

You claim light was in a different state. I wonder still in what way it was different. I suggested some possibilities to make it easier for you. So, ok, the Planck constant was the same before the split as after. So gain, in what way was light different?

You really fail to answer all the questions.

 

[driewerf]

Which one? the laws of gravitiy? General relativity? Thermodynamics?

All! Who says any were the same?? Or even here? Prove it!!?

Really?
Prove it. And, an answer like "no one cant prove they were the same" is not good enough.

 

[driewerf]

All!

Can you prove that? No. Thus they were the same.

Who says that spiritons were not also orbiting, changing the mix??? Or etc?

Can you prove that? No. Then there aren't any spriritons.

All stars. Energy in a forever state is not derived by 'burning down the physical house walls to heat the physical only house'!!!!

Can you prove that? No. Then they will continue to use hydrogen. And thus end to shine one day.

 

[Tomatoman]

driewerf to dad:

You really fail to answer all the questions.

dad doesn't understand the questions. He doesn't understand what science is, let alone what it is telling us, so the questions he's asked about the universe don't mean anything to him. All that happens in his brain when he reads those questions is 'abort, retry, fail?'