Misogyny is disgusting

[pleinmont]

There's women's work, men's work, and work that can be done by either. What's the problem?

Define women and men's work?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Define women and men's work?

Defining such work is like defining pornography. A judge once famously said, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

 

[Paidiske]

There's women's work, men's work, and work that can be done by either. What's the problem?

Defining such work is like defining pornography. A judge once famously said, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

The problem is the unnecessary restrictions imposed on people when these indefinable social boundaries are enforced.

 

[Robban]

Define women and men's work?

Why not opt for the old Chinese saying;

"Makes no difference if the cat is black or white,
as long as it catches mice."

Today, thanks to technology there is not so much difference, compared to years ago, coal miners were men,
nurses were women and typists,
before trucks and buses had servo steering it was mainly mens work.
Apart from war years.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The problem is the unnecessary restrictions imposed on people when these indefinable social boundaries are enforced.

I saw a woman working a scrapyard once. I thought, "That ain't right." That was years ago before the social order was turned on it's head.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The problem is the unnecessary restrictions imposed on people when these indefinable social boundaries are enforced.

I think most of those restrictions are gone.

 

[Paidiske]

I think most of those restrictions are gone.

Maybe. Some remain. Meanwhile, it doesn't help when people argue for those restrictions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Maybe. Some remain. Meanwhile, it doesn't help when people argue for those restrictions.

Not arguing, just longing for the good ole days.

 

[dzheremi]

Well, I guess I won't be taking any advice on how to raise a daughter (that I don't have) from a rapping calculator, because my goodness the OP sure is disturbing. No, no, and a million times no.

 

[muichimotsu]

There's women's work, men's work, and work that can be done by either. What's the problem?

You're still pigeonholing based on sex and gender roles rather than simple capacity that doesn't need to refer to either even if it might be more common for men or women respectively.

 

[muichimotsu]

Defining such work is like defining pornography. A judge once famously said, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

Pretty sure we have general definitions for pornography based on its intent for a general audience, it's subjective whether one individual or another will find it arousing, but that's kind of the general idea one has in mind, it's not nearly that relative and subjective as you characterize it.

And with gender roles, it's even less clear because industrialization and such have made it more egalitarian in regards to capacity

 

[Lazarus Long]

God says not to trust men nor women.

Prove it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You're still pigeonholing based on sex and gender roles rather than simple capacity that doesn't need to refer to either even if it might be more common for men or women respectively.

Not at all. Much work can be done by either. The question is whether it should be. Why do you think so many working women are fighting for parental leave? What's wrong with daycare centers raising our kids?

 

[muichimotsu]

Not sure I said there was anything wrong with it, some posters have in other threads (The traditional family one)

 

[pleinmont]

Not at all. Much work can be done by either. The question is whether it should be. Why do you think so many working women are fighting for parental leave? What's wrong with daycare centers raising our kids?

There is nothing wrong with day nurseries as long as they are good ones. My two married daughters put their pre-school children in day nurseries, whilst they were working, and there were no problems at all.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There is nothing wrong with day nurseries as long as they are good ones. My two married daughters put their pre-school children in day nurseries, whilst they were working, and there were no problems at all.

I think the younger generation is deeply troubled, partly by dysfunctional family life that offers no sound role models.

 

[pleinmont]

I think the younger generation is deeply troubled, partly by dysfunctional family life that offers no sound role models.

Family life could be very dysfunctional when I was growing up in the 50s/60s, especially if the male of the species thought women were subservient to them,

 

[muichimotsu]

I think the younger generation is deeply troubled, partly by dysfunctional family life that offers no sound role models.

You think it's just role models, or even primarily that issue? I think I had good male and female role models to understand in a general sense about men and women, there are other issues that can be more fundamental to dysfunctional family life, like inability to properly communicate things, etc.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Family life could be very dysfunctional when I was growing up in the 50s/60s, especially if the male of the species thought women were subservient to them,

The traditional roles aren't to blame. That said I agree that men generally don't understand their responsibility as husbands and fathers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You think it's just role models, or even primarily that issue? I think I had good male and female role models to understand in a general sense about men and women, there are other issues that can be more fundamental to dysfunctional family life, like inability to properly communicate things, etc.

I agree. But the biggest problem is the lack of love.