Misconceptions about Protestants

[LittleLambofJesus]

Many protestants do indeed believe in sola scriptura. The critical importance of tradition is not there for most protestants, or is that a misconception.
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From what was referenced before. I give my to the view below,

Another version of the prima scriptura approach may be the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which maintains that Scripture is to be the primary authority for the Church. Nonetheless, it is best interpreted through the lenses of reason, personal experience, and Church tradition, although the Bible remains the crucial and normative authority for Christians. According to the United Methodist Church, which adheres to this notion:

Scripture is considered the primary source and standard for Christian doctrine. Tradition is experience and the witness of development and growth of the faith through the past centuries and in many nations and cultures. Experience is the individual's understanding and appropriating of the faith in the light of his or her own life. Through reason the individual Christian brings to bear on the Christian faith discerning and cogent thought. These four elements taken together bring the individual Christian to a mature and fulfilling understanding of the Christian faith and the required response of worship and service.[3]
“Scripture is considered the primary source and standard for Christian doctrine. Tradition is experience and the witness of development and growth of the faith through the past centuries and in many nations and cultures. Experience is the individual's understanding and appropriating of the faith in the light of his or her own life. Through reason the individual Christian brings to bear on the Christian faith discerning and cogent thought. These four elements taken together bring the individual Christian to a mature and fulfilling understanding of the Christian faith and the required response of worship and service.[3]

Why are traditions, doctrines, experience, dogmas, etc. so different, not only within Protestism, but also among the EOC and RCC

Kindgdom Bible Studies Lambs Book of Life Part 1

*SNIP*

Now, what is meant by this term – THE BOOK OF THE LIFE OF THE LAMB? The wise man said, "...of the making of many books there is no end..." (Eccl. 12:12).

The book stores are filled to overflowing today with all types of books dealing with every aspect of earthly life. Even in the church world there are books setting forth every kind of viewpoint relating to God, the Bible, doctrine, Christian experience, and church order.
However the subject material of most of these books largely contains a message of religious tradition and spiritual death.

 

[MKJ]

Turn about is fair play, eh? Lots of folks think RC has been a cultish religion over the centuries. But enough about them.

I wasn't thinking of the RCC actually, though I know some people have said that they are a cult.

There isn't really a strict line between religion and cult, IMO. People like Dawkins would probably say all religion was a cult, in the negative sense.

A big warning sign for me is trying to totally cut people off from friends and family, or isolate them and apply stress while "teaching".

On the other hand, it isn't unreasonable to tell people that they need to be careful who they spend time with, or to have people go on spiritual retreats.

n the end, I wouldn't call Baptists or Catholics members of a cult.

 

[mark46]

I will speak for a moment of EO, OO, RCC, Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran. Are we of the apostolic churches so different in traditions, experience, dogma etc. Are we not all part of the holy, catholic and apostolic Church, and all part of body of Christ.

Perhaps we might focus on where we agree rather than how we are different? Do we truly differ on essentials? Father Girzone in his book "The Shepherd" envisioned the bishops of the various churches uniting and having one diocese. We are one Church, and one body.
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Could not a Benedictine monk come and participate (and be at home) in almost any of our retreats? Don't we all have the early Church fathers and mothers as our joint tradition. Don't most of us have at least 700 years of a unified tradition (less for OO).

Do we not all we all receive the real presence of Jesus Christ at Eucharist?

Do we not all have the creeds of the early church through Nicea (without the filoque)?

Are our teachings with regard to right behavior really much different? Should we treat our brothers and sisters differently? Do we not all believe that we should spread the good news? Do we not all love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and our neighbors as ourselves (and as Christ loved us)?

Are we not all led by The Holy Spirit?

Do we not all hold God-breathed Holy Scriptues in common (although some of us have a few books not in common)?

Are we not all united as the body of Christ by God's Grace through our baptism and through Eucharist?

Do we not all believe in salvation by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ?

Do not almost all of us believe in growing closer to being Christ-like through sanctification/theosis?

Do we not all pray the Sinner's Prayer?

Do we not all pray the Jesus prayer?

Are we really that different? It is not traditions, doctrine and dogma that separate us; it our own sin.

Why are traditions, doctrines, experience, dogmas, etc. so different, not only within Protestism, but also among the EOC and RCC

 

[razeontherock]

Do you respond to the individual or the faith icon? Just curious

Neither; the post itself. That's all the info I'm given. If you read the context you'll see it's perfectly responsive.

 

[mark46]

I wouldn't have my children go on a spiritual retreat with Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormans, Christain Scientists, Scientologists or freemasons. Would you?

I.

On the other hand, it isn't unreasonable to tell people that they need to be careful who they spend time with, or to have people go on spiritual retreats.

n the end, I wouldn't call Baptists or Catholics members of a cult.

 

[boswd]

Neither; the post itself. That's all the info I'm given. If you read the context you'll see it's perfectly responsive.

I don't know you started out your post as "This is what the RCC teaches?" interesting that is the first thing to come to mind, instead of is that what "YOU" think?

 

[razeontherock]

Good point mark! And the interesting thing here is - all those groups say Jesus is someone other than what Christianity preaches, making them a cult by definition.

 

[razeontherock]

I don't know you started out your post as "This is what the RCC teaches?" interesting that is the first thing to come to mind, instead of is that what "YOU" think?

Sorry, but I don't see how any thinking person could actually think that. Excusing the brethren in this instance means giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they're just following what they were taught ...

 

[boswd]

I will speak for a moment of EO, OO, RCC, Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran. Are we of the apostolic churches so different in traditions, experience, dogma etc. Are we not all part of the holy, catholic and apostolic Church, and all part of body of Christ.

Perhaps we might focus on where we agree rather than how we are different? Do we truly differ on essentials? Father Girzone in his book "The Shepherd" envisioned the bishops of the various churches uniting and having one diocese. We are one Church, and one church.
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Could not a Benedictine monk come and participate (and be at home) in almost any of our retreats? Don't we all have the early Church fathers and mothers as our joint tradition. Don't most of us have at least 700 years of a unified tradition (less for OO).

Do we not all we all receive the real presence of Jesus Christ at Eucharist?

Do we not all have the creeds of the early church through Nicea (without the filoque)?

Are our teachings with regard to right behavior really much different? Should we treat our brothers and sisters differently? Do we not all believe that we should spread the good news? Do we not all love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and our neighbors as ourselves (and as Christ loved us)?

Are we not all led by The Holy Spirit?

Do we not all hold God-breathed Holy Scriptues in common (although some of us have a few books not in common)?

Are we not all united as the body of Christ by God's Grace through our baptism and through Eucharist?

Do we not all believe in salvation by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ?

Do not almost all of us believe in growing closer to being Christ-like through sanctification/theosis?

Do we not all pray the Sinner's Prayer?

Do we not all pray the Jesus prayer?

Are we really that different? It is not traditions, doctrine and dogma that separate us; it our own sin.

Why are traditions, doctrines, experience, dogmas, etc. so different, not only within Protestism, but also among the EOC and RCC

Great Post

 

[boswd]

Sorry, but I don't see how any thinking person could actually think that. Excusing the brethren in this instance means giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they're just following what they were taught ...

not excusing anyone, though I don't know of any single agreed upon doctrine among all Christians on the conscience but to me it was Pilrgim's opionon on it.

Also could you cite the Catholic Church's teaching on Conscience? Seeing how you said this is what they were taught.

I just notice alot of double standards in your post's, that's all.

 

[razeontherock]

I will speak for a moment of EO, OO, RCC, Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran.

Could not a Benedictine monk come and participate (and be at home) in almost any of our retreats? Don't we all have the early Church fathers and mothers as our joint tradition. Don't most of us have at least 700 years of a unified tradition (less for OO).

Do we not all we all receive the real presence of Jesus Christ at Eucharist?

Do we not all have the creeds of the early church through Nicea (without the filoque)?

Are our teachings with regard to right behavior really much different? Should we treat our brothers and sisters differently? Do we not all believe that we should spread the good news? Do we not all love God with all our heart, mind and strength, and our neighbors as ourselves (and as Christ loved us)?

Are we not all led by The Holy Spirit?

Do we not all hold God-breathed Holy Scriptues in common (although some of us have a few books not in common)?

Are we not all united as the body of Christ by God's Grace through our baptism and through Eucharist?

Do we not all believe in salvation by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ?

Do not almost all of us believe in growing closer to being Christ-like through sanctification/theosis?

Do we not all pray the Sinner's Prayer?

Do we not all pray the Jesus prayer?

Are we really that different? It is not traditions, doctrine and dogma that separate us; it our own sin.

I would say all this holds true for ANY and ALL Churches I've ever participated in, and in 30 years of following the Lord that has only included 3 1/2 of being (partially) active in ONE of the denominations you listed.

In other words, the Body is MUCH more Unified than you even claim, here.

 

[mark46]

See below ffrom the Cathecism of the RCC.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

not excusing anyone, though I don't know of any single agreed upon doctrine among all Christians on the conscience but to me it was Pilrgim's opionon on it.

Also could you cite the Catholic Church's teaching on Conscience? Seeing how you said this is what they were taught.

I just notice alot of double standards in your post's, that's all.

 

[mark46]

I started with the apostolic churches.

In addition to apostolic churches, I have been active in a Southern Baptist church as well as in an independent pentocostal church.

I agree that almost all that I posted before applies to almost that I have met in borh those churches. And it is also certainly true of most other followers of Calvin and Erasmus.

The reason I stopped at the apostolic churches is that many of the others do not believe in the real presence or in the visible universal Church. Many of those in apostolic churches consider these to be essentials.

I would say all this holds true for ANY and ALL Churches I've ever participated in, and in 30 years of following the Lord that has only included 3 1/2 of being (partially) active in ONE of the denominations you listed.

In other words, the Body is MUCH more Unified than you even claim, here.

 

[boswd]

See below ffrom the Cathecism of the RCC.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

Thanks. I see nothing wrong in that teaching

 

[sunlover1]

Thanks. I see nothing wrong in that teaching

Appears to be an excellent teaching, but no different than my own beliefs on conscience.

 

[plmarquette]

15 books were translated , 8 rejected, 7 used to document rise of pharisees, saducces, macabbean revolt... that were dropped later at the publication of the King James version... 1,2 Macabees ; 1,2 Tobit; Sirach, Baruch; Wisdom Jerome called these "deuterocanoconical texts"-- works of a lesser nature

there are other texts referred to as psuedopigrapha, which have errors, in part or whole, which are used for history, context, but not for doctrine...

there are texts called Aporcypha which contain the gnostic gospels and other texts consdiered flawed by early fathers

Christians... all agree with the "apostles creed and the Lords prayer"; yet differ on time and application of what considered ... sacred / sacraments / ordinances

 

[razeontherock]

Ok so w/o me reading it, does it say that "conscience is an act of our own intellect?"

 

[boswd]

Ok so w/o me reading it, does it say that "conscience is an act of our own intellect?"

well maybe if you read it you might know what they teach instead of presumming what they teach and maybe just maybe when someone post's in an online chat forum that they are not the official word of their particular Church and are just posting their own thoughts and opinons. How crazy would that be?

but to give you a sampling


1776 "Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment.... For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God.... His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."[47]

 

[Heavens]

well maybe if you read it you might know what they teach instead of presumming what they teach and maybe just maybe when someone post's in an online chat forum that they are not the official word of their particular Church and are just posting their own thoughts and opinons. How crazy would that be?

but to give you a sampling


1776 "Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment.... For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God.... His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."[47]

Zedekiah 10:4?

 

[Lively Stone]

True! Which is another misconception - that all do. I've never heard it used outside of a RC using it ...

whyzzat?

It is just one way of emphasizing and reinforcing schism in the minds of their followers.