Misconceptions about Protestants

[PilgrimToChrist]

There's another misconception from RC; they think Baptists are a religion and they are a cult, which is to say, not Christian.

Define "Christian".

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In antioch they were first called Christians .

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Actually, there are many protestant groups who do not have fullness of faith and Catholics also deny very much the person of the Holy Spirit

Doesn't your version of the Holy Spirit involve blowing on people and knocking them down and <staff edit> I'm happy to deny that <staff edit> view of God the Holy Spirit. Much of what I have seen on YouTube smacks of the demonic, not the sacred. That doesn't mean I deny any about the Holy Spirit just because I reject your <staff edit> conception of Him.

and personal salvation.

Define "personal salvation".

I know many Catholics who believe that Jesus died a generic death for all,

Christ died for all, not only the elect.

and by virtue of their being baptized into the 'church', one is automatically saved. The bible doesn't teach that at all.

Baptism saves. This doesn't mean people can't sin and lose their salvation after baptism and have to repent of those sins and do penance for them. But if someone gets baptized and then gets hit by a car leaving the church, they will go straight to Heaven.

Great, Spirit-led protestant churches are producing great men and women and children too--of strong and full faith! Praise God!

Evidence?

 

[mark46]

Where does it say that Jesus to save some of mankind?

Where does it say that Jesus died only for the sins of the elect?

Have we removed 1 Tim 2:4 from our bibles?

Jesus came that we might have life and have it abundantly. He offered His Grace to ALL freely. He offered this Grace to anyone who would knock. It is a strange notion indeed that Jesus died on the cross only for those who would choose him. The sacrifice was made for all mankind.

 

[Lively Stone]

Doesn't your version of the Holy Spirit involve blowing on people and knocking them down and <staff edit> ?

No. You are stereotyping...dishonest.

I'm happy to deny that <staff edit>view of God the Holy Spirit. Much of what I have seen on YouTube smacks of the demonic, not the sacred. That doesn't mean I deny any about the Holy Spirit just because I reject your <staff edit> conception of Him.

Well there's my answer! You watch silly YouTube junk that is out of context, highly edited and has an agenda behind it. Yuck. The agenda is demonic.

Define "personal salvation".

You should know.

Christ died for all, not only the elect.

And you, too. That's personal.

Baptism saves. This doesn't mean people can't sin and lose their salvation after baptism and have to repent of those sins and do penance for them. But if someone gets baptized and then gets hit by a car leaving the church, they will go straight to Heaven.

Getting wet doesn't save anyone. People who walk with God will always sin, and guess what? They don't lose their salvation over it. If that were true, then God is pretty fickle.

Baptism doesn't get us to heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ as our substitute on the cross will.

Evidence?

Me and many hundreds of Christians I know personally...as well as MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Christians around the world.

 

[Hairy Tic]

No, they don't.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 8

## Don't spoil the myth LOL.

 

[boswd]

No. You are stereotyping...dishonest.



Well there's my answer! You watch silly YouTube junk that is out of context, highly edited and has an agenda behind it. Yuck. The agenda is demonic.




You should know.





And you, too. That's personal.





Getting wet doesn't save anyone. People who walk with God will always sin, and guess what? They don't lose their salvation over it. If that were true, then God is pretty fickle.

Baptism doesn't get us to heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ as our substitute on the cross will.



Me and many hundreds of Christians I know personally...as well as MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Christians around the world.

So let me get this straight you are upset that your faith is being mischaractorized?

ohhh the irony

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Nope, not at all. They are close to the line as far as cults go. (Do freemasons have spiritual retreats for kids? I suppose there are the Shriner's Hospitals for kids.)

The Freemasons have Rainbow Girls and Job's Daughters for girls and DeMolay for boys. Sometimes you will see Rainbow Girls selling things outside stores or door-to-door just like Camp Fire and the Girl Scouts (the new Girl Scout program is also very problematic and very anti-Christian). I don't know about any retreat programs open to those without Masonic fathers though. There are some Baptists here, they probably know a lot more about the Freemasons than I do (a great many Baptist men are Freemasons, including some who have admitted to it on CF).

I would probably be ok to send them to a Catholic VBS. I would not send them to a Baptist one unless I knew the congregation. I went ta a Baptist camp as a kid and it would be fine. Some would not be - I've known of Baptist VBSs that pretty much told kids that unless they accepted Christ they would go to Hell, or their parents were going to Hell. Not an ok thing to do to kids IMO.

My friend (Episcopalian) worked as a teacher for a while at a school that was associated with the Reformed churches. She had to sign a document saying that she would not teach anything contrary to the listed synods and documents. I said I wouldn't be able to do that but she said "it's third grade, we're probably not going to go beyond 'Jesus loves you'" which is true, but it's still a dubious thing. So if it's very little kids, I can see that what they would be taught is generic enough not to be offensive or even wrong (if it's just basic Bible stories and such). But I don't see the reason to risk it. We are given children so as to take care of them and get them to Heaven, why do something which could seriously confuse your child? Even if there is nothing objectively false or immoral in what they teach the kids, it still smacks of religious indifferentism or "eirenism".

Another danger is perceived which is all the more serious because it is more concealed beneath the mask of virtue. There are many who, deploring disagreement among men and intellectual confusion, through an imprudent zeal for souls, are urged by a great and ardent desire to do away with the barrier that divides good and honest men; these advocate an "eirenism" according to which, by setting aside the questions which divide men, they aim not only at joining forces to repel the attacks of atheism, but also at reconciling things opposed to one another in the field of dogma. And as in former times some questioned whether the traditional apologetics of the Church did not constitute an obstacle rather than a help to the winning of souls for Christ, so today some are presumptive enough to question seriously whether theology and theological methods, such as with the approval of ecclesiastical authority are found in our schools, should not only be perfected, but also completely reformed, in order to promote the more efficacious propagation of the kingdom of Christ everywhere throughout the world among men of every culture and religious opinion.

Now if these only aimed at adapting ecclesiastical teaching and methods to modern conditions and requirements, through the introduction of some new explanations, there would be scarcely any reason for alarm. But some through enthusiasm for an imprudent "eirenism" seem to consider as an obstacle to the restoration of fraternal union, things founded on the laws and principles given by Christ and likewise on institutions founded by Him, or which are the defense and support of the integrity of the faith, and the removal of which would bring about the union of all, but only to their destruction.

Catholics are also forbidden to take an active part in the worship and rites of non-Catholics. Baptists don't have a formal rite, like Methodists or Lutherans do, but even their common prayer and singing songs with the kids could be considered "worship in common" ("communicatio in divinis").

So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.

That is the conclusion to a very powerfully-worded encyclical.

Parents who send their children to Protestant schools or activities (such as VBS) are acting very irresponsibly and contrary to the mind of Mother Church. sunlover1's mother may not have explained the reasons clearly but she did the right thing in forbidding her from attend a Baptist VBS.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Well we can see what that "infalability" claim is worth in lue of the tremendous sex abuse scandals that the Popes, Bishops and Cardinals turned a blind eye to.

Which has what to do with infallibility?

"There are people in the Church who are sinners, therefore the Church can teach things which are false." I don't see the logic here.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In antioch they were first called Christians .

That is what I have heard

 

[Standing Up]

Define "Christian".

Were there any until the 1800's in your belief system?

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Getting wet doesn't save anyone.

It does if the getting wet involves a Baptism. Jesus, St. Paul and St. Peter are very clear on that point.

Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Know you not that all we, who are baptized in Christ Jesus, are baptized in his death? For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water. Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Baptism certainly saves you, how can it not?

People who walk with God will always sin, and guess what? They don't lose their salvation over it.

You say they can't, the Bible says they can. I guess it's a matter of opinion then.

If that were true, then God is pretty fickle.

How does people's fickleness reflect on God? Weren't the Israelites constantly turning to idols and falling into slavery, death and destruction when they sinned? Was that some failure on God's part? Why were Ananias and Sapphira struck dead for their sin? Why did some people die because they received Communion unworthily (while in a state of sin)? God executes these criminals as a visual representation of the eternal death that is the real punishment for their sins.

Baptism doesn't get us to heaven. Only faith in Jesus Christ as our substitute on the cross will.

You can't separate Baptism from faith. There is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph 4:5).

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Were there any until the 1800's in your belief system?

In mine? No, we were right there in AD 33!

 

[sunlover1]

Catholics are also forbidden to take an active part in the worship and rites of non-Catholics.

Too much control for me. yikes.

Parents who send their children to Protestant schools or activities (such as VBS) are acting very irresponsibly and contrary to the mind of Mother Church.

Maybe they have the "mind of Christ" instead.

sunlover1's mother may not have explained the reasons clearly but she did the right thing in forbidding her from attend a Baptist VBS.

[/QUOTE]
No she didn't.
My 15 year old was gone for the wknd working at a TEC (teens encountering Christ)
He does it 4 times a year. It originated with the RCC and I do know that they learned
the stations of the cross .. my 17 yo usually goes too. Sunday they will go to youth
group at a church that's sort of a relaxed CRC slash full gospel. Tuesday nights
they attend a CRC youth group that they have gone to for years and their brothers
before them .. My 21 yo is right now attending a meeting for a new church in town.
Similar to emergent perhaps but i am not worried. 23 yo will probably go to it as well.
Daughter attends a AOG church which i am not nuts about but her hubby is studying
to be a professor and attends their seminary. Other son is RCA, another is full gospel
and I am NOT Worried.
My kids have been grounded in the Word all their lives.
We pray every day for discernment and for GOD's will.
GOD has a plan for them.
God wants to use them in a certain place and certain time.
(They're HIS kids, not mine)

See, the thing is this:
GOD.. doesn't care what the sign on the door says !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And He's the only one who we need to please
#keepingthingsreal

 

[mark46]

Pope John Paul II had a rather different view of charismatics. He was fully supportive of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I suspect that many of the saints of the Church would also take a rather different view of the gifts of the Spirit.

Message To Catholic Charismatics by Pope John Paul II


See also the following summary which includes references from Pope Paul VI, John Paul II, Vatican II documents and comments by Cardinal Ratzinger.

Charismatic Renewal - In General
==========

Obviously, this movement of the Holy Spirit is not limited to Catholics. The Renewal of the 70's included Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians and many others. There many programs today that emphasize evangelism and releasing the gifts of the SPirit. These programs exist in Catholic churches, in Catholic prayer groups as well as in those of other denomination.

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Doesn't your version of the Holy Spirit involve blowing on people and knocking them down and babbling nonsense? I'm happy to deny that perverse view of God the Holy Spirit. Much of what I have seen on YouTube smacks of the demonic, not the sacred. That doesn't mean I deny any about the Holy Spirit just because I reject your false conception of Him.

.

 

[Heavens]

The absence of a personal experience with Jesus Christ is what I see in almost all the Catholics I know and we live in a predominately Catholic city. Spiritually starving--not for long, though!

Lol, you going to force feed them?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Too much control for me. yikes.

Parents who send their children to Protestant schools or activities (such as VBS) are acting very irresponsibly and contrary to the mind of Mother Church.

Maybe they have the "mind of Christ" instead.

Is it possible that Protestants and EOs can also have the mind of Christ?
Letsame ponder on that for awhile

 

[Standing Up]

In mine? No, we were right there in AD 33!

We were too and so were the Baptists

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

We were too and so were the Baptists

Can ya prove dat

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

No. You are stereotyping...dishonest.

You say I don't believe in "the anointing" (in another thread) and then you say I don't really believe in the Holy Ghost (in this thread). So if I type "anointing" and "word-of-faith" or "pentecostal" into YouTube, I get videos of Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin (the founder of "Word of Faith"). Is this not representative?

Also, I'm pretty sure what Pentecostals calls "speaking in tongues" is a pretty important part of their religion, isn't it?