Misconceptions about Protestants

[PilgrimToChrist]

Previously you said we need "the church,"

We can deduce many moral teachings simply from Natural Law. But sin darkens the intellect and therefore many people seem unable to realize that things which are wrong are wrong -- they have a mental block.

Look at much of the sexual things that go on. How many people realize that they cannot watch a movie if it has a single sex scene in it (even if they fast-forward), blasphemy or other indecency? How many people realize that contraception is wrong? Even now people are trying to say that homosexuality is acceptable or abortion or euthanasia/suicide or any number of other popular "hot button" topics. Yet all these things are easily defined as immoral by simple logic but people are blind to it because of their interestedness and sin -- they simply don't think anymore.

This is why we need to separate our understanding on these matters from the individual and look to the Church. The Church has already hacked these things out and is protected from falling into error by God -- we as individuals are not.

presumably your church

There is only one, it is not mine, it is Christ's. Christ is not a polygamist.

 

[sunlover1]

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Clearly this occurs in our conscience, but is NOT "an act of our intellect..

Amen bro.

Isn't that the definition of Protestantism -- a "protest" against the Catholic Church? What else ties all these groups together except not being Catholic?

Oh no she din't!
Hint: Starts with a "Jesus" and ends with a "Christ our Lord"

It doesn't, and the suggestion is blasphemy. I'm really not sure how you're failing to understand.
But the Spirit DOES speak to us through our conscience, this is the main way God
speaks to me Ray. Where's the blasphemy in that??

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Oh no she din't!
Hint: Starts with a "Jesus" and ends with a "Christ our Lord"

So then what differentiates me from a Protestant?

It doesn't, and the suggestion is blasphemy. I'm really not sure how you're failing to understand.

But the Spirit DOES speak to us through our conscience, this is the main way God
speaks to me Ray. Where's the blasphemy in that??

Yeah, I'm lost.

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

I never really had any misconceptions about Protestants. Everything I was ever taught about them is true; that they have an abiding love of Christ but do not have the fullness of the Faith. I have not read or seen anything so far that would disabuse me of this notion.

 

[razeontherock]

It doesn't, and the suggestion is blasphemy. I'm really not sure how you're [Pilgrim to Christ] failing to understand.

But the Spirit DOES speak to us through our conscience, this is the main way God speaks to me Ray. Where's the blasphemy in that??

None, but notice the difference: you aren't confused and claiming that your own conscience IS God. That's what Pilgrim to Christ stated, and seems to be an underlying misconception RC's have about Pr's.

I've been told point blank I "have no charisma to understand the Bible." I guess I'd need to defer to the magisterium for that?

Puh-leeze

Or as Bugs Bunny would put it:

they don't know me, do they?

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

None, but notice the difference: you aren't confused and claiming that your own conscience IS God. That's what Pilgrim to Christ stated, and seems to be an underlying misconception RC's have about Pr's.

But you are claiming that your conscience is God's private revelation to you, right? So why is it that people claim one thing to be according to their conscience and someone else will claim that it is contrary to their conscience? Does God establish a different morality for each person and how are we supposed to know if God is telling us that something is right or wrong or whether it is just our own imagination or worse, a devil?

 

[sunlover1]

None, but notice the difference: you aren't confused and claiming that your own conscience IS God. That's what Pilgrim to Christ stated, and seems to be an underlying misconception RC's have about Pr's.

I've been told point blank I "have no charisma to understand the Bible." I guess I'd need to defer to the magisterium for that?

Puh-leeze

Or as Bugs Bunny would put it:

they don't know me, do they?

 

[razeontherock]

But you are claiming that your conscience is God's private revelation to you, right?

Nope. That's a new misconception I couldn't ever have imagined someone would make

So why is it that people claim one thing to be according to their conscience and someone else will claim that it is contrary to their conscience? Does God establish a different morality for each person and how are we supposed to know if God is telling us that something is right or wrong or whether it is just our own imagination or worse, a devil?

Hmmm, in plain English, try this:

Jesus is the shepherd.

Does that work for you?

 

[boswd]

2nd misconception listed in this thread

Lemme guess: what you don't understand, villainize?

Pot calling kettle come in kettle

 

[ebia]

I never really had any misconceptions about Protestants. Everything I was ever taught about them is true; that they have an abiding love of Christ but do not have the fullness of the Faith. I have not read or seen anything so far that would disabuse me of this notion.

Of course if you were under a misconception then, by definition, you wouldn't know it.

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

True enough, ebia.

 

[boswd]

This is what RC teaches? Seriously?

And then the example you use of "we need the church to form our conscience." WOW did you ever not think that one through

Left yourself W-I-D-E open to the sola scriptura-ists

Do you respond to the individual or the faith icon? Just curious

 

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[Captivated]

What kind of Christian college would a Protestant Anglican send their kids to?

My children both went to a Christian (Protestant) school. DD went to a Catholic college and DS will be following her there in September. I guess this kind of college Mission and Ethos | Cardinal Newman College is where this erstwhile Anglican Christian would send her kids!

(Does erstwhile count? I've never rescinded my Confirmation and still attend for a 'proper' HC quite often!)

 

[sunlover1]

Thanks, yeah I've been getting sent to my room with no supper a bit lately.

How long you hanging out this time?

What defines the Mormon religion as a "cult" and the Baptist religion as not a "cult"?

Like i said, check some cult websites, very informative....

Then blame the inability of your mother and your CCD teacher to teach you the faith, not the Church. I'm sure it was like my mom's experience and the people in my church who are her age -- the 60s and 70s were a messed up time (and some places aren't any better now). That is why I go to a traditionalist parish.

[/QUOTE]
MY Mother, the ccd teacher, the priests... all ARE the church.
Doesn't matter anymore anyhow. God had my back... It's all good.
His will was done , not hers.

 

[Standing Up]

What defines the Mormon religion as a "cult" and the Baptist religion as not a "cult"?

There's another misconception from RC; they think Baptists are a religion and they are a cult, which is to say, not Christian.

 

[mark46]

Of course the RCC Catechism teaches differently. There are those who are indeed viewed as cults: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, LDS and freemasonry.

There's another misconception from RC; they think Baptists are a religion and they are a cult, which is to say, not Christian.

 

[MKJ]

There's another misconception from RC; they think Baptists are a religion and they are a cult, which is to say, not Christian.

I think you could have a Christian cult - though I wouldn't include Baptists as a rule. (Although in an archaic form you could use the word for almost any group - what is your cult essentially meaning what belief or group do you follow).

But I know of a Christian group for example that follows one charismatic leader to rather extreme ends; tends to seperate it's members from parents, friends, etc; and really seems to indoctrinate it's members in an unhealty way including through social control, and other cult-like practices.

Mormonism can also tend that way, but so does the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[Standing Up]

I think you could have a Christian cult - though I wouldn't include Baptists as a rule. (Although in an archaic form you could use the word for almost any group - what is your cult essentially meaning what belief or group do you follow).

But I know of a Christian group for example that follows one charismatic leader to rather extreme ends; tends to seperate it's members from parents, friends, etc; and really seems to indoctrinate it's members in an unhealty way including through social control, and other cult-like practices.

Mormonism can also tend that way, but so does the Westboro Baptist Church.

Turn about is fair play, eh? Lots of folks think RC has been a cultish religion over the centuries. But enough about them.

 

[mark46]

Many protestants do indeed believe in sola scriptura. The critical importance of tradition is not there for most protestants, or is that a misconception.
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From what was referenced before. I give my to the view below,

Another version of the prima scriptura approach may be the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, which maintains that Scripture is to be the primary authority for the Church. Nonetheless, it is best interpreted through the lenses of reason, personal experience, and Church tradition, although the Bible remains the crucial and normative authority for Christians. According to the United Methodist Church, which adheres to this notion:

Scripture is considered the primary source and standard for Christian doctrine. Tradition is experience and the witness of development and growth of the faith through the past centuries and in many nations and cultures. Experience is the individual's understanding and appropriating of the faith in the light of his or her own life. Through reason the individual Christian brings to bear on the Christian faith discerning and cogent thought. These four elements taken together bring the individual Christian to a mature and fulfilling understanding of the Christian faith and the required response of worship and service.[3]
“Scripture is considered the primary source and standard for Christian doctrine. Tradition is experience and the witness of development and growth of the faith through the past centuries and in many nations and cultures. Experience is the individual's understanding and appropriating of the faith in the light of his or her own life. Through reason the individual Christian brings to bear on the Christian faith discerning and cogent thought. These four elements taken together bring the individual Christian to a mature and fulfilling understanding of the Christian faith and the required response of worship and service.[3]

Actually, it sounds like most protestants view of the scripture when applied sounds more like Prima scriptura .

what's it called when you follow the instruction of the scripture to rely on the Spirit lead your reading of the scripture ?