Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
you'll like this story then; http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/apples.htmlThis adds credibility. Thanks for noting.
By whom? and what is that pagan holiday? Saturnalia?But instead, it falls on a pagan holiday, and is celebrated exactly the same as that pagan holiday.
Not a specific holiday; a lot of pagan holidays fell at that time of year. I know a bit of Norse Viking is in there, and some winter solstice celebrations.By whom? and what is that pagan holiday? Saturnalia?
Too bad then.Not a specific holiday; a lot of pagan holidays fell at that time of year. I know a bit of Norse Viking is in there, and some winter solstice celebrations.
you'll like this story then; http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/apples.html
One of the labors of Hercules (or Herakles) has him stealing golden apples from a garden that belong to Zeus, the god of the sky. Often the story depicts a dragon as defending the apples, which is a less common depiction of the serpent in the garden of Eden.
Most people view the similarities in myths actually as lessening credibility rather than adding to it, because while they have similar themes and items, they are still very different in regards to events.
One of the labors of Hercules (or Herakles) has him stealing golden apples from a garden that belong to Zeus, the god of the sky. Often the story depicts a dragon as defending the apples, which is a less common depiction of the serpent in the garden of Eden.
Most people view the similarities in myths actually as lessening credibility rather than adding to it, because while they have similar themes and items, they are still very different in regards to events.
I'm going to agree with Sarah on this one.Nope.
Too bad then.
Perhaps the object(s) of their celebration should have been a little more convincing, eh?
Personally, I don't care if Jesus was born on February 29th.
God orchestrating His birthday to December 25th was a master stroke that broke the back of these "lot of pagan holidays" you're being vague about.
Ask almost anyone what December 25th means to them, and I'm sure you'll get "Christmas" or "Jesus' birthday" as a consensus of opinion.
If you get anything else, it's probably because a handful of people are trying to keep something alive that died a long time ago of a broken back.
As God put it in principle: Smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
That's exactly what He did.
Delivering a single blow to "a lot of pagan holidays" at once.
No argument there, my friend!While that is true, it is also a double-edged sword... that eventually Christians started falling into the trap of idolatry associated with the worship of material possessions and money that is attached to Christmas. But then that, too, is part of God's plan to weed the tares out of the wheat.
You are correct. The holidays do not fall on the dates that would more accurately represent their purpose. It's never been a problem for me as no matter what, I am setting a time aside to remember the event.The times that certain holidays associated with Christianity take place point to other religions, as well as some of the iconography. For example, if Christmas were to actually fall on a time around Jesus's birth, based on the bible, we should be celebrating it in the spring. But instead, it falls on a pagan holiday, and is celebrated exactly the same as that pagan holiday.
OT YHWH's behavior is reminiscent of the religions that came before it; an angry, jealous deity that interfered frequently with humans, often through patroning specific people. Greek gods did that a lot.
As I have said before; while the bible DOES NOT EXPLICITLY STATE when Jesus was born, certain comments within it indicate springtime, not winter. Also, you very well know consensus of opinion is irrelevant.Too bad then.
Perhaps the object(s) of their celebration should have been a little more convincing, eh?
Personally, I don't care if Jesus was born on February 29th.
God orchestrating His birthday to December 25th was a master stroke that broke the back of these "lot of pagan holidays" you're being vague about.
Ask almost anyone what December 25th means to them, and I'm sure you'll get "Christmas" or "Jesus' birthday" as a consensus of opinion.
If you get anything else, it's probably because a handful of people are trying to keep something alive that died a long time ago of a broken back.
As God put it in principle: Smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
That's exactly what He did.
Delivering a single blow to "a lot of pagan holidays" at once.
Fair enough. I am an atheist, and my family drags me to celebrate these holidays with them. It isn't the holidays themselves I hate, so much as the fact that I end up having to set up and clean up after them, and am not particularly eager to spend extended amounts of time with people in person. The yearly celebration I hate the most is my own birthday. Thankfully, I am starting to be old enough people don't make a big deal out of that anymore.You are correct. The holidays do not fall on the dates that would more accurately represent their purpose. It's never been a problem for me as no matter what, I am setting a time aside to remember the event.
I am not saying that the common view is necessarily right, just that most people view the similarities in very different stories as more indicating that humans aren't very creative and like to steal from other stories to incorporate into their own, rather than all stories originating from the same, real events, because most of the key details between stories are different.Nope.
A google search fact checks me, yeesh, if you are that skeptical of a minor claim at worst, you could easily refute me with evidence and be done with it, rather than drag this out.Can you support your "most people" claim?
Or you mean.....you.
I know a couple of people like that in our church.Fair enough. I am an atheist, and my family drags me to celebrate these holidays with them. It isn't the holidays themselves I hate, so much as the fact that I end up having to set up and clean up after them, and am not particularly eager to spend extended amounts of time with people in person. The yearly celebration I hate the most is my own birthday. Thankfully, I am starting to be old enough people don't make a big deal out of that anymore.
A google search fact checks me, yeesh, if you are that skeptical of a minor claim at worst, you could easily refute me with evidence and be done with it, rather than drag this out.
The way I look at it is, we have chosen these dates as points in time to reflect on an event. We do it collectively as brothers and sisters with a common faith.Fair enough. I am an atheist, and my family drags me to celebrate these holidays with them. It isn't the holidays themselves I hate, so much as the fact that I end up having to set up and clean up after them, and am not particularly eager to spend extended amounts of time with people in person. The yearly celebration I hate the most is my own birthday. Thankfully, I am starting to be old enough people don't make a big deal out of that anymore.
I'm not, I just don't feel like getting sources for it. You don't have the luxury of assuming I am pulling crap out of my butt any more than I have the luxury of assuming that you will believe me. As I said before, if you want to call me out as a liar or a fraud, back it up with some sources, or admit that you don't feel like it either.So you are making an unfounded claim. That's fine.
Just letting you know, people don't swallow your
sermons.
The way I look at it is, we have chosen these dates as points in time to reflect on an event. We do it collectively as brothers and sisters with a common faith.
We do know when Christ was crucified. It was at the time of Passover. That's a simple one.
It's too bad that you are dragged to these celebrations. I am one that hates being forced to do anything that I don't want to do as well. Being dragged to a religious event, with your beliefs, would seem a bit much.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?