Miracles Cannot Violate Natural Law

[homohabilis117]

Hello, dis Habilis here. Habilis wants to mention: miracles cannot violate natural law if God exits. God has qualities that are part of his nature: Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence. To name a few... If God Omnipresent that means He exists both within and without the universe. If God exists within the universe, he cannot violate the laws of the universe where He is inside it, because this would contradict Himself. God made universe and natural law. He is omnipresent (within the universe). Within universe, God cannot break natural law. Miracle might bend or extend law, but not violate that law.
This change how we view miracles like big flood: If God used miracles to cause big flood, this flood should follow natural laws. If this true, evidence should look like big flood stir everything up. But fossil record not look this way. So maybe big flood local flood?

 

[SkyWriting]

Hello, dis Habilis here. Habilis wants to mention: miracles cannot violate natural law if God exits.

Then they don't qualify as miracles.
You need - learn read. Or pound
head with smart-rock.

"A miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws."
Miracle - Wikipedia

mir·a·cle
ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun
plural noun: miracles

1. a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

 

[homohabilis117]

Then they don't qualify as miracles.
You need - learn read. Or pound
head with smart-rock.

"A miracle is an event not explicable by natural or scientific laws."
Miracle - Wikipedia

mir·a·cle
ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun
plural noun: miracles

1. 
   
   
   • a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

But God Omnipresent right? If so, contradicting natural law contradicts the part of Himself that omnipresent in universe.

 

[JacksBratt]

But God Omnipresent right? If so, contradicting natural law contradicts the part of Himself that omnipresent in universe.

Not really, God can exist inside or outside of the dimension in which we live and never be restricted by the laws He created for that dimension. I guess you could say that, until He came as Christ, He never lived inside our dimension. Christ took on a human form, a human body and was therefore affected by the natural laws of physics, biology, chemistry, human body functions such as hunger, tiredness, pain, etc. Even so, as Christ he had the ability to do things that were contrary to natural laws of this earth. He could heal, give site, make water turn to wine, control the weather, walk on water. These were evidence of Him being God.

What reason do you have to prove or suggest that this contradicts Him being Omnipresent, Omniscient or Omnipotent.

 

[homohabilis117]

Even so, as Christ he had the ability to do things that were contrary to natural laws of this earth. He could heal, give site, make water turn to wine, control the weather, walk on water. These were evidence of Him being God.

What reason do you have to prove or suggest that this contradicts Him being Omnipresent, Omniscient or Omnipotent.

These miracles of Jesus not contradict Omnipresence. Gods miracles can work through natural law. What happens miraculously may seem like contradiction, but it is just appearance of contradiction to us, because we not know how law bent or changed to make miracle

 

[SkyWriting]

But God Omnipresent right? If so, contradicting natural law contradicts the part of Himself that omnipresent in universe.

This realm we exist in is not Heaven. Why people continue
to think what we live in "is God" is a mystery to me.
My co-worker spent 1.8 million of his own money
for Chemo-Therapy a few years ago. Or is it all
God's money, I forgot.

 

[SkyWriting]

But God Omnipresent right? If so, contradicting natural law contradicts the part of Himself that omnipresent in universe.

Your argument is that Miracles don't exist. But even a dictionary agues
that you must have hit head on rock. Or hit head with rock.

Full Definition of miracle

1. an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs
   
   
2. an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment
   
   
3. Christian Science : a divinely natural phenomenon experienced
   humanly as the fulfillment of spiritual law

 

[AV1611VET]

Sound like homohabilis117 pantheist.

 

[Jay Follett]

What reason do you have to prove or suggest that this contradicts Him being Omnipresent, Omniscient or Omnipotent.

Your God is whatever you want your God to be and can do whatever your imagination will allow, the only restriction placed on your God is reality, your God can not enter into reality.

 

[JacksBratt]

These miracles of Jesus not contradict Omnipresence. Gods miracles can work through natural law. What happens miraculously may seem like contradiction, but it is just appearance of contradiction to us, because we not know how law bent or changed to make miracle

So, Christ walking on water, turning water, instantly to wine, curing leprosy, blindness, deafness with the touch of a hand is all within the natural laws and some day man will do it without effort? OK!

 

[JacksBratt]

Your God is whatever you want your God to be and can do whatever your imagination will allow, the only restriction placed on your God is reality, your God can not enter into reality.

My God can do things that my mind cannot imagine. He can enter reality, He can alter the laws of my reality, He can and will destroy this whole universe in a millisecond some day and replace it with a new one. God is not restricted by reality. Our reality was created by Him. How could it restrict Him?

 

[Jay Follett]

My God can do things that my mind cannot imagine. He can enter reality, He can alter the laws of my reality, He can and will destroy this whole universe in a millisecond some day and replace it with a new one. God is not restricted by reality. Our reality was created by Him. How could it restrict Him?

Only in your mind, all of those things takes place only in your mind.
You could of course prove me wrong in a second simply by showing me evidence of your God, but you can't because the only evidence you have is locked safely away in your imagination.

 

[AV1611VET]

the only restriction placed on your God is reality,

Is that why believers in limited reality fight/fought so hard to get the Bible out of school and the Ten Commandments off of courthouse lawns and arc and spark about "Merry Christmas"?

If "our God" is so limited, what's all the hype about in the news?

 

[AV1611VET]

You could of course prove me wrong in a second simply by showing me evidence of your God, but you can't because the only evidence you have is locked safely away in your imagination.

You mean Christian edifices, slogans, documentation, debates, holidays, hymns and carols, songs, martyrs, and time broken up into BC/AD is all just "safely locked away in JacksBratt's imagination?

 

[JacksBratt]

Only in your mind, all of those things takes place only in your mind.
You could of course prove me wrong in a second simply by showing me evidence of your God, but you can't because the only evidence you have is locked safely away in your imagination.

Posters on this forum are quite militant about the rule or law or code of ethics which states "if you state what you consider to be a fact, the burden of proof is on you".

So, where is your proof that this is only in my mind.

Also, you cannot prove that all of this universe, earth, people, emotions, matter, elements, atoms, cells, events, are not just a figment of a your consciousness. You cannot prove that this is not just a dream of yours. You cannot prove that I am real, your computer is real, your coffee cup or favorite sports team or even the sport are not an illusion in your medium of consciousness.

So, let's not go down that smokey path, ok? You have no proof of anything. I have no proof of anything, in all boiled down actuality. You certainly cannot prove that God exists only in my mind and millions of others who share my beliefs.

 

[Jay Follett]

So, where is your proof that this is only in my mind.

You are my proof, when asked to show evidence for your God you and others just mumble about us not understanding or we wouldn't believe if we were shown, you all say a lot but you never show anything, and as you know "talk is cheap", all the other religions can do is talk as well.

 

[Jay Follett]

You have no proof of anything. I have no proof of anything, in all boiled down actuality. You certainly cannot prove that God exists only in my mind and millions of others who share my beliefs.

Where else in all honesty could your God be? if he wasn't in your mind you wouldn't even know about your God, would you?
do you only believe because no one can show that your God doesn't exist? do you also believe in all the other Gods for the same reason?
BTW. no one else shares your beliefs because they all have their own beliefs, and like you their own Gods.

 

[AV1611VET]

BTW. no one else shares your beliefs because they all have their own beliefs, and like you their own Gods.

That's wrong and you know it.

For your information, every single Christian that ever walked the face of this earth ... and will walk the face of this earth ... believes IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.

He is so well known, we don't even have to use His name.

And in fact, all we have to do is put IN GOD WE TRUST on our money, or UNDER GOD in our Pledge of Allegiance, and even atheists know Who we're talking about.

 

[Jay Follett]

That's wrong and you know it.
For your information, every single Christian that ever walked the face of this earth ... and will walk the face of this earth ... believes IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.
He is so well known, we don't even have to use His name.
And in fact, all we have to do is put IN GOD WE TRUST on our money, or UNDER GOD in our Pledge of Allegiance, and even atheists know Who we're talking about.

How many religions claim to worship a God? how many religions are there and how many Gods are there? does America have the Muslim God on it's money? Yes, No? how would they know?
Atheists have no idea what religious people are talking about when they talk about their Gods because they never tell anyone about their God, all they ever say is "God" and expect everyone to know what they are talking about.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are my proof, when asked to show evidence for your God you and others just mumble about us not understanding or we wouldn't believe if we were shown, you all say a lot but you never show anything, and as you know "talk is cheap", all the other religions can do is talk as well.

There is no evidence for God that would convince the non believer. That is the design of the relation ship with the creator. You have to come by faith and faith alone. Once you have got on your knees and accepted the free gift of salvation, all the evidence you need will come through and you will wonder why you never realized it before.

So, no, I am not your proof that it is all in my mind. Asking me to prove that it is not in my mind is not proof that it is. Please try again.