Millennial Considerations

[seventysevens]

Make an argument, post scripture.

Big long 2 pages of writing, and not "One Quote" from scripture?

As simple as it can possibly get - if someone said Jesus was not born of a virgin -would you know where in the bible to find the scripture that refers to Jesus birth or would you need the person that said Jesus was not born of a virgin to point it out to you ?

If we were to talk about the topic of Jesus birth would you need someone to point out to you where this topic is found in the bible ? IF you have studied you would not need anyone to give you where or what scripture reference in order to discuss the TOPIC.

The topic is why God scattered the people of Israel , and why God is bringing them back to Israel found in post#999 which you cried about it being so long and you couldn't see a scripture - no scripture because the TOPIC is there and IF you knew anything about it you would not need a scripture fed to you -it is a TOPIC where there are many references to the topic in various books , If I gave you a scripture -you will focus on THAT scripture and Not the TOPIC and thusly fall off the train again
Getting you to get onboard to this simple matter is like getting a cat to take it's medicine

 

[BABerean2]

Here is proof of what has been said many times - you do my post the same as you do scripture -which is why you get a false understanding - you ignore the entire surrounding context and selectively pick out on thing and refuse to address the whole and thusly you do not understand what has been written -
Since you REFUSE to acknowledge what has been asked of you twice and ignore the other matters - common sense should indicate to you that if you choose to ignore ----
I made it abundantly clear of what I was asking of you and why I asked - and as per usual you simply avoid and ignore what is asked of you and focus solely on what you want answered

So the answer is "yes", you are having trouble keeping up with what you have claimed.

Are there scriptures in the Old Testament which reveal that God would remove the nation of Israel from the land and then return them at a later point in time?
Most certainly.
One of the most famous is when Daniel came to understand that the time of their captivity was about to end, based on what was written in scripture.

Are there Bible passages about what happened due to the political maneuvering of the Balfour Agreement and the United Nations mandate which produced the modern State of Israel during 1948?
Not unless you count Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

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[seventysevens]

Just as I expected you to say
So the answer it a "resounding NO" you don't have the slightest clue of understanding that the scripture does show the prophecy of Israel being reestablished as a nation by more than one prophet! No not rev 2 or 3

Simplest of all even though the scriptures teach that when Jesus returns he returns back to Israel when Israel is a nation , all those scriptures that speak about the second coming of Jesus to destroy Israel's surrounding neighbors who are attempting to wipe out all of Israel for all time.

- you never gave thought to the fact that after Rome removed all of the people of Israel and the land was occupied and owned by other nations you had no thought to how could the surrounding nations of Israel seek to destroy her if she did not exist before 1948 the prophecies of Jesus return to Israel and the Man of Sin had to have a country of Israel to come back to ,, but according to you rothchild knew Israel had to be reborn as a nation so he all by himself caused a nation to be born

So the answer is "yes", you are having trouble keeping up with what you have claimed.

Are there scriptures in the Old Testament which reveal that God would remove the nation of Israel from the land and then return them at a later point in time?
Most certainly.
One of the most famous is when Daniel came to understand that the time of their captivity was about to end, based on what was written in scripture.

Are there Bible passages about what happened due to the political maneuvering of the Balfour Agreement and the United Nations mandate which produced the modern State of Israel during 1948?
Not unless you count Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

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[LastSeven]

As simple as it can possibly get - if someone said Jesus was not born of a virgin -would you know where in the bible to find the scripture that refers to Jesus birth or would you need the person that said Jesus was not born of a virgin to point it out to you ?

If we were to talk about the topic of Jesus birth would you need someone to point out to you where this topic is found in the bible ? IF you have studied you would not need anyone to give you where or what scripture reference in order to discuss the TOPIC.

The topic is why God scattered the people of Israel , and why God is bringing them back to Israel found in post#999 which you cried about it being so long and you couldn't see a scripture - no scripture because the TOPIC is there and IF you knew anything about it you would not need a scripture fed to you -it is a TOPIC where there are many references to the topic in various books , If I gave you a scripture -you will focus on THAT scripture and Not the TOPIC and thusly fall off the train again
Getting you to get onboard to this simple matter is like getting a cat to take it's medicine

If we don't support our points with scripture, then there's no direct reference to something which we all consider to be true (the Bible) and so we're left only with an opinion which carries exactly zero weight amongst strangers, which is what we are to each other, and if we all "debated" in that manner we'd end up with nothing but You're wrong! No, you're wrong! Am not! You are! You're so so wrong!!! I know you are but what am I? Liar, liar pants on fire!!

 

[BABerean2]

but according to you rothchild knew Israel had to be reborn as a nation so he all by himself caused a nation to be born

Not according to me, but according to the words of Lord Rothschild who revealed that his family was instrumental in creating the modern State of Israel ...

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[seventysevens]

If we don't support our points with scripture, then there's no direct reference to something which we all consider to be true (the Bible) and so we're left only with an opinion which carries exactly zero weight amongst strangers, which is what we are to each other, and if we all "debated" in that manner we'd end up with nothing but You're wrong! No, you're wrong! Am not! You are! You're so so wrong!!! I know you are but what am I? Liar, liar pants on fire!!

Lol - pride cometh before a fall , there is nothing wrong with being wrong as long as a persons pride doesn't get in their way . If a person has a problem with being tackled then they should not play football -or engage in dialogue where they may be shown they are wrong.
My method is simple -Watson I am trying to find out if a person knows a topic as they will present themself as saying they do , If you suspect someone is color blind you may ask the person to pick out the turquoise shirt among several shirts and then observe which shirt they select ; If they refuse to pick out a shirt it indicates they are more concerned with hiding their blindness than to acknowledge it .
We all learn from our mistakes but when people refuse to admit to it they are not likely to learn from them and will repeat them.
If you know the topic -you will know what scriptures speak of the topic and you will know where they are found in the bible - if I show them to you beforehand it prevents you from showing that you really do know the topic without having the need for anyone to lead you to it.

 

[seventysevens]

Not according to me, but according to the words of Lord Rothschild who revealed that his family was instrumental in creating the modern State of Israel ....

Yes according to you- as you refuse to believe that Almighty God has told us about Him doing it .

Just exactly as I said -you believe rothchild did it himself and you refuse to believe that Almighty God said it in His word several thousand years ago that He will bring the descendants of Israel back to the land that He gave them and removed them from that land and He will bring them back to that same land.

You have said that the bible does not speak to this matter and you are totally wrong - you simply have followed a false teaching and do not study Gods word to know that Almighty God said He would do this .

God used the Romans to cause the Diaspora of the people of Israel to fulfill His purpose - God causes people to do HIS Will for His purpose , by refusing to admit your error you give credit to man and take it away from God .

You will be most likely to be deceived by the false messiah that God said he will send to cause people to believe a lie because they rejected the truth

 

[BABerean2]

You will be most likely to be deceived by the false messiah that God said he will send to cause people to believe a lie because they rejected the truth

I know who the Messiah is, as found in the verse below.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

He is the seed of the woman from Genesis 3:15.

He is the seed of Abraham through which all the nations of the earth would be blessed in Genesis chapter 12.

He is the seed of David.

His is the most important genealogy found in the Bible, in Matthew 1:1.

Those who believe in a rebuilt temple with renewed animal sacrifices could easily be deceived, because they have accepted what is promoted by the Judaisers, who cannot let go of the Old Covenant and accept the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

No amount of condemnation can change the truth found below.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


The followers of modern Talmudic Judaism are not the people of God, as revealed by the two verses above, and Romans 9:8, and Romans 11:1-5.

Some of us cannot tell the difference between the Baal worshipers, and the faithful remnant.

You still have not provided the scripture to back up your claims about the restoration of the modern State of Israel, created by the Balfour Declaration and the United Nations in 1948.

If you want to know the truth about how the modern State of Israel was created, read the book "Against Our Better Judgment" by Alison Weir.
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[seventysevens]

Big long 2 pages of writing, and not "One Quote" from scripture?

Are there Bible passages about what happened due to the political maneuvering of the Balfour Agreement and the United Nations mandate which produced the modern State of Israel during 1948?
Not unless you count Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

You still have not provided the scripture to back up your claims about the restoration of the modern State of Israel, created by the Balfour Declaration and the United Nations in 1948..

Since there is so much text to be written out , it is a lot easier to post screenshots

 

[seventysevens]

Are there Bible passages about what happened due to the political maneuvering of the Balfour Agreement and the United Nations mandate which produced the modern State of Israel during 1948?
Not unless you count Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

 

[seventysevens]

Are there Bible passages about what happened due to the political maneuvering of the Balfour Agreement and the United Nations mandate which produced the modern State of Israel during 1948?
Not unless you count Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9.

 

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[BABerean2]

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And how many of those Old Testament verses were written before or during the time that Israel was in captivity in Babylon?

Did they return to the land after the Babylonian captivity?



And the fig tree...

Mat_21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Mat_21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

Mar_11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.

Mar_11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

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[LastSeven]

pride cometh before a fall

You should remember that and stop telling everybody they're wrong before you even consider their point of view.

 

[seventysevens]

That is why I did not WASTE my time typing it all out because I knew you would be so stiffnecked that your pride would force you to look for something -anything , even if it be the font type , to avoid acknowledging that you are Wrong

You said multiple times that there is no scripture that shows that God said that He will bring the descendants of the people of Israel back into the land of Israel - There are many verses that give a break down how when why and how it transpired .
It was expected - but yet shocking that you refuse to see the truth of scripture

Shocking that you do not understand that this prophecy is really very very good news - oh but wait you'd rather believe Almighty God had no say in it , it was all rothchild idea.
Hard to believe any Christian would actually think that

And how many of those Old Testament verses were written before or during the time that Israel was in captivity in Babylon?
Did they return to the land after the Babylonian captivity?
And the fig tree...
Mat_21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
Mat_21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
Mar_11:20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar_11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

 

[BABerean2]

That is why I did not WASTE my time typing it all out because I knew you would be so stiffnecked that your pride would force you to look for something -anything , even if it be the font type , to avoid acknowledging that you are Wrong

You said multiple times that there is no scripture that shows that God said that He will bring the descendants of the people of Israel back into the land of Israel - There are many verses that give a break down how when why and how it transpired .
It was expected - but yet shocking that you refuse to see the truth of scripture

Shocking that you do not understand that this prophecy is really very very good news - oh but wait you'd rather believe Almighty God had no say in it , it was all rothchild idea.
Hard to believe any Christian would actually think that

You did not answer the question.

How many of those Old Testament passages were written before or during the captivity in Babylon and therefore have nothing to do with 1948?

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[seventysevens]

Dude wake up, I am tired of hearing you continually disparaging anyone that supports Israel as you have been saying many many many things about many people who support Israel. So I asked you about it and why are you doing it as I see that you say you support Israel.
I don't care if it is muslims , hindus or dispensationalist Christians , support for Israel is what God is proud of .
Then I added that modern Israel is a direct result of God fulfilling HIS promise to bring back the Jews/Israeli descendants of those people whom God scattered among many nations , Then you said that there is no scripture support for that happening , I gave you much proof that is exactly what has happened , get over your pride - I proved to you that scripture says Exactly what I claimed - I proved you wrong - get over it - be a man and just accept it
If you cannot comprehend what you read it is not my problem - be a man -get over it and stop disparaging people who support Israel !

You did not answer the question.

How many of those Old Testament passages were written before or during the captivity in Babylon and therefore have nothing to do with 1948?

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[LastSeven]

support for Israel is what God is proud of

I suppose you're referring to...

Genesis 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

Of course we all agree that this is true, since it is scripture. What we don't agree on is the definition of "Israel". The United Nations has muddied the waters a bit on that issue, but your own common sense should be able to clear that up.

So please answer this question for me. Do you think all the people on earth are blessed, as the prophecy states, through that nation in the middle east that goes by the name Israel, or are they blessed through Christ?

 

[BABerean2]

If you cannot comprehend what you read it is not my problem - be a man -get over it and stop disparaging people who support Israel !

Which Israel?

You are replacing the children of the promise with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

You are replacing the one seed with the many sees in Galatians 3:16.

If you want to support the people of Israel then tell them the truth about God's Son, instead of ignoring 1 John 2:22-23.

You are loving modern Jews straight to hell, by claiming that their time of salvation lies in the future.
It is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.



If you want people to like you, tell them what they want to hear, no matter the consequences.

If you really love people, then tell them the truth.

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[BABerean2]

I have told you the truth but you can't understand it as the truth is not in you
I have not replaced anyone with anybody for any reason , again you have severe lack of comprehending what you read as I have never even hinted at anything you FALSELY claim You are flat out lying in this post as I have never said or done anything you have claimed and I am sick of your lies , you can believe the rubbish you want to but don't make false claims and lies as it will come back at you , You cannot prove anything you say , I am telling the truth - you are telling lies , get a grip , and stop your lies and go your own way

Who is the father of lies?

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

There is only one Israel of God found in the passage below.

Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)

All others are counterfeits.

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