Millennial Considerations

[vinsight4u]

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[Original Happy Camper]

ever and ever

this means till death or consumed and Jesus never dies or is consumed

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Truth7t7]

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Those who satan shall deceive after the 1000 years are over are human , how can they not be ?

Is what you dont understand is the non-literal 1000 years is taking place now, and will finish at the second advent.

The battle you see is at the end of the future 42 month tribulaton.

Satan is currently bound and sealed from one specific purpose?

"Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle"
Revelation 16:12-17, Revelation 20:7-9

This earth is dissolved by fire at the appearance of Jesus Christ
2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

 

[vinsight4u]

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[DavidPT]

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

One thing that seems rather clear, that verse does NOT say the following----But those of the first resurrection and the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. To somehow make it say that when it's not remotely saying that, that would be adding to the text something not found in the text.

And since Amils make the first resurrection to not even be meaning the bodily resurrection of the saints when Jesus comes, where then can that particular resurrection be found in Revelation 20 if it's not meaning the first resurrection? Do Amils actually want us to believe that the most significant blessed resurrection of all time, 2nd only to Christ's, that John totally neglected to even make mention of it anywhere in Revelation 20? That's stretching it to think John would bother to mention the bodily resurrection of the rest of the dead, but would neglect to mention the bodily resurrection of the blessed saints as well.

 

[seventysevens]

LOL , if you keep believing that you will be peeling potatoes and washing pots and pans , while the rest of us are ruling and reigning with Jesus since you refuse to believe what he has told you

Is what you dont understand is the non-literal 1000 years is taking place now, and will finish at the second advent.

The battle you see is at the end of the future 42 month tribulaton.

Satan is currently bound and sealed from one specific purpose?

"Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle"
Revelation 16:12-17, Revelation 20:7-9

This earth is dissolved by fire at the appearance of Jesus Christ
2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL , if you keep believing that you will be peeling potatoes and washing pots and pans , while the rest of us are ruling and reigning with Jesus since you refuse to believe what he has told you

You mean receiving the mark and worshipping the image of the beast, because Jesus Christ will not return to this earth, and hang out with mortal humans.

Jesus warned believers against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27

 

[LastSeven]

satan is currently in the 2nd heaven , where the stars , sun, moon are .
satan still has access to all the earth and he is called the prince of the air
When he makes his accusations of the people of God he is allowed access to the Throne of God which is the 3rd heavenly realm

Eph 2:2 (KJV)
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

When Jesus was crucified and shed His innocent blood Jesus exclaimed 'It Is Finished.
What he means is His task of shedding his innocent blood as a sacrificial lamb providing the method by which all of humanity can be saved from eternal damnation

By accepting that Jesus died on the cross and rose to life again to pay the penalty of death and repenting of your sins , asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins and believing in your heart that Jesus died to pay for your sins and that you believe that by being born-again in the spirit; of Thee Christ and will be among those that have overcome satan and death by accepting the free gift of eternal life obtained through the blood of the lamb Jesus.

People who accept Jesus gift of salvation and truly believe that Jesus will give them eternal life will love Jesus more than they love their own life ; even until death ,
some people may accept Jesus gift then love their own life more than Jesus when they are threatened their life will end if they don't submit to the Man of Sin direction , or it could be they are hungry and want food and accept the mark of the beast and forfeit eternal life with Jesus. ,

Jesus says people that lose their life for Jesus sake will have eternal life with Jesus
The book of Revelation is a book of prophecy about the things that will happen before Jesus returns to earth

Rev 12 shows that when the time of the Man of Lawlessness occurs Michael the Arch Angel and his angels fight satan and cast satan down to earth; this is when satan realizes that he has no more access to heaven and his time is short

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

When satan is cast out of heaven he is not bound at all , he is sent to earth and acts in the Man of Lawlessness to cause as many people as he can to worship him as God

This is when the mark of the beast will be implemented

In the near future satan will be cast down to earth and will seek to kill as many people as he can ,
so no satan is not yet bound and is still free to roam and access the Throne of God to make accusations of the people of God

So many words, yet you failed to address my point. Look at Revelation 12 again. It makes a clear correlation between the casting out of Satan and the authority of Jesus, and the blood of the lamb. How do you answer that?

 

[seventysevens]

You mean receiving the mark and worshipping the image of the beast, because Jesus Christ will not return to this earth, and hang out with humans.

Jesus warned believers against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27

LOL if you want to receive the mark , have fun

 

[Original Happy Camper]

It means that right then, in the days of Moses-the new earth was here? Or -just like in Rev. 11, it is showing a prophecy yet to come?

Revelation 11:15

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

My understanding is that the NEW EARTH comes after the lake of fire has done its job.

 

[DavidPT]

The battle you see is at the end of the future 42 month tribulaton.

As to this 42 month tribulation, where I'm assuming you are meaning Revelation 13 for one, like I pointed out numerous times already, Revelation 20:4 clearly places the time of those events prior to satan being loosed. Are you then saying after the tribulation there will be a little season where this battle then takes place? No matter how one looks at it, this simply can't work if coming from a perspective that places the thousand years before the 2nd coming. In your proposed scenario you would have the 42 month tribulation taking place during the thousand years rather than a time when satan is not bound. There couldn't possibly be a great tribulation occurring during the thousand years when satan is bound. That is ludicrous since this 42 month tribulation will also involve great deception, something satan himself will be fully behind.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

LOL , if you keep believing that you will be peeling potatoes and washing pots and pans , while the rest of us are ruling and reigning with Jesus since you refuse to believe what he has told you

Sorry this is a false statement as there will be no human being on earth after the second coming of the Lord in the clouds.

 

[seventysevens]

So many words, yet you failed to address my point. Look at Revelation 12 again. It makes a clear correlation between the casting out of Satan and the authority of Jesus, and the blood of the lamb. How do you answer that?

You simply don't understand what it means

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

They are people who have received Jesus gift of salvation that came by Jesus crucifixion

The casting out satan is the time when he comes to earth empowering the BEAST Man of Lawlessness
NOT giving Jesus authority as He has never lost authority ,

 

[LastSeven]

You mean receiving the mark and worshipping the image of the beast, because Jesus Christ will not return to this earth, and hang out with mortal humans.

Jesus warned believers against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27

You're right. And also Acts 3:21 tells us that Jesus will not return until the new heaven and the new earth.

Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

This one is so clear. It still boggles my mind that people find a way around it. Let's see who will be the first one to tell me that "everything" does not mean "everything".

 

[seventysevens]

Sorry this is a false statement as there will be no human being on earth after the second coming of the Lord in the clouds.

Wrong , who do you think satan will deceive after the 1000 years ? the 1000 years is AFTER Jesus returns

 

[Truth7t7]

One thing that sain't rather clear, that verse does NOT say the following----But those of the first resurrection and the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. To somehow make it say that when it's not remotely saying that, that would be adding to the text something not found in the text.

And since Amils make the first resurrection to not even be meaning the bodily resurrection of the saints when Jesus comes, where then can that particular resurrection be found in Revelation 20 if it's not meaning the first resurrection? Do Amils actually want us to believe that the most significant blessed resurrection of all time, 2nd only to Christ's, that John totally neglected to even make mention of it anywhere in Revelation 20? That's stretching it to think John would bother to mention the bodily resurrection of the rest of the dead, but would neglect to mention the bodily resurrection of the blessed saints as well.

Dave you want to see a bodily resurrection of the believer in Revelation 20:4 it aint there

You disregard the resurrection of the believer will take place on the "Last Day" as Jesus Christ taught in John 6:40

You continue on in your hypothetical teachings, when "clear" scriptural truth has been presented to you again and again?

 

[LastSeven]

You simply don't understand what it means

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

They are people who have received Jesus gift of salvation that came by Jesus crucifixion

The casting out satan is the time when he comes to earth empowering the BEAST Man of Lawlessness
NOT giving Jesus authority as He has never lost authority ,

What?

It clearly says that Satan was cast out of heaven and then came the authority of Jesus and the blood of the lamb. I don't know what you're trying to say but the scripture is pretty clear.