Jesus also said the following.
Mat_10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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If that was already true when Adam died, I guess that pretty much makes Jesus a liar on numerous occasions, such as the following.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
I think it would be a fallacy to believe Isaiah was written in Chronological order. Revelation is.
Sorry Revelation is not in chronological order.I think it would be a fallacy to believe Isaiah was written in Chronological order. Revelation is.
There is more to it than that , and Jesus was expressing something in particular to the religious leader of the time , if you were a undefeated champion in a sport and make a claim that you are the best there is , , and someone said that you claim to be the best person there is , it shows an entirely different contextual meaning ,If that was already true when Adam died, I guess that pretty much makes Jesus a liar on numerous occasions, such as the following.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
You have The Lord In A ShoeboxIf that was already twhen Adam died, meaning the way you seem to be interpreting that verse to mean, I guess that pretty much makes Jesus a liar on numerous occasions, such as the following.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
To be absent from the body, present with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:6-8
To state Abrahams Bossom is a figure of speech in biblical reference to Luke 16:19-31
If you would like to use the term " Present With The Lord" we can use that, if it helps your rational, human reasoning
As Luke 16:19-31 clearly shows a place of comfort for the righteous, and a place of torment "Hell" for the wicked.
Last response to you concerning "Soul Sleep" & "Hell"All scripture, including the one you quoted here is true. However, if you consider all scripture, there are plenty that contradict your interpretation of this particular passage.
Take for example these two very simple verses. There are many others, as I posted earlier, but for now these will do.
Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalm 146:4
When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
So I assume that you believe these to be true, just as I believe 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 to be true, otherwise there's no point in continuing to debate with somebody who does not believe the Bible to be true.
So if on the one hand you have scripture that says you return to the earth when you die, and on the other hand you have scripture that says "to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord", which of these two more definitively explains what happens when you die?
Keep in mind that 2 Corinthians 5 does not even mention death, yet my two examples do clearly mention death. You could infer death from the words, as you have obviously done, but you have to admit it doesn't actually mention it.
So do you take two clear passages that need no interpretation or inferencing, or do you explain them away while accepting your own interpretation of a much less clear passage? And if so, how do you explain them away?
You have The Lord In A Shoebox
God Is Omnipresent, Isaiah 66:1, Psalms 139:7-8
As previously stated, where ever Luke 16:19-31 is, there will be a place of comfort for the righteous, awaiting the last day resurrection.
Hell is clearly explained throughout the scripture, where the Rich Man went, a place of torment as the flame.
Jesus also said the following.
Mat_10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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God is outside your time and world, he is at the first day of creation, and in the eternal kingdom all at the same time.Actually though, you contradict yourself, because if the LORD is literally physically present everywhere, such as you seem to believe, one one would already be present with the LORD without having to be absent from the body first. I don't think you are understanding His omnipresence correctly myself. There are numerous ways He can achieve that without actually being physically present there. Such as through His angels, they could be like eyes for Him, etc.
Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
The LORD is apparently the speaker here. If one is literally physically present everywhere, that one would not need to go down anywhere, that one would already be there.
Throughout the history of the nation of Israel there were two different groups of Israelites.
One group rejected God and the other group remained faithful to God.
During the Exodus Korah led a rebellion against Moses, while others remained faithful.
During the time of Elijah most had turned to Baal worship, while the remnant of 7,000 remained faithful.
In Romans 11 Paul said the same was true during his time and the same is true today.
All of the nation of Israel did not reject Christ.
In the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 God deals with individuals, based on faith.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Based on what Christ said on the road to Emmaus, the whole Old Testament is about Him.
Luke 24:25-27.
The purpose of the nation of Israel was to produce the seed of the woman from Genesis 3:15.
He is the seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed in Genesis chapter 12.
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
I would appreciate if you "Stop The Bro" thing with me, thanks.
You are jumping in mid stream, and don't have a clue on what's going on.
Once again I request you stop the Bro, thanks
The fact of God's plan has absolutely nothing to do with your human reasoning.Hi BABerean,
I agree with you there, so far. Now can you say why God went to the trouble of making Israel and working with them, when He could have prophesied something different and had Jesus come many centuries earlier. If that is all Israel`s purpose to produce the seed, then the Lord could have come earlier.
What do you say? Marilyn.
God is outside your time and world, he is at the first day of creation, and in the eternal kingdom all at the same time.
"Way Toooo Big For Your Shoebox Dave
Alpha Omega, The Beginning And The End, The First And Last. Revelation 22:13
Can your human reasoning explain that
Then simply explain why a being who is allegedly literally physically present everywhere at the same time, why this being needs to go down and see for Himself if He were already literally physically there? It's not human reasoning so much, it's called using God given common sense from to time to time.
The fact of God's plan has absolutely nothing to do with your human reasoning.
Israel Is The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed. Romans 9:6-8
The children of the flesh "Jews" these are not the children of God.
Plain and simple
God is the potter, you are the clay
Once again, give me some scripture to show me the error of my ways. Your words mean nothing to me.You stated Drivel many times , just trying to get you to look at things that are not stemming from people who teach amil , then your eyes will open, but you prefer to keep them closed
o.k. And you believe a parable where people in heaven can talk to people in hell is a true story.You believe in "Soul Sleep" and deny "Hell"
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