Millennial Considerations

[DavidPT]

Reign over other people? Where did you get that from? We reign over the spirit world, not people. And for that we don't need a resurrected body, we need a resurrected spirit.

Is that what souls in heaven who are reigning with Christ a thousand years as bodiless souls do as well? Reign over the spirit world?

 

[LastSeven]

Show me a scripture that specifies we reign over the spirit world ,

Luke 10:17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.’

 

[LastSeven]

Is that what souls in heaven who are reigning with Christ a thousand years as bodiless souls do as well? Reign over the spirit world?

There are no souls in heaven. A soul is a living creature and those are all on earth.

 

[seventysevens]

You're not making any sense. The point of discussion is Revelation chapter 20 which most definitely uses the word, and therefore so do I. Yet, here you are claiming that I can't call the first resurrection a "resurrection" because Jesus never used that word and you're accusing me of causing confusion?

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[LastSeven]

Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

Do you see people in this ? nations are people

So what? Why did you post this in response to my post where I said that the last day means there are no more days following it? Did you respond to the wrong post maybe?

 

[seventysevens]

Luke 10:17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.’

So you think that demon is all that we reign over , they will be cast into the lake of fire

 

[BABerean2]

I put fire in water and it was dissolved as well

Next time put pure Sodium metal in water...

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[seventysevens]

So what? Why did you post this in response to my post where I said that the last day means there are no more days following it? Did you respond to the wrong post maybe?

what scripture is that ?

 

[LastSeven]

So you think that demon is all that we reign over , they will be cast into the lake of fire

Yes, demons and angels are what we reign over.

See our authority over the devil coincides with his being cast down to earth. So God saw to it that we would not be left defenseless, as the scripture states "But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.’" God has given us Christ and his authority, to defend against the devil.

Why would God want us to reign over people? That's weird. Don't you remember when Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world"? He said "If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders." So why would his kingdom now suddenly be of this world?

 

[seventysevens]

So what? Why did you post this in response to my post where I said that the last day means there are no more days following it? Did you respond to the wrong post maybe?

what scripture is that Isaiah 60 ?

 

[seventysevens]

Yes, demons and angels are what we reign over.

See our authority over the devil coincides with his being cast down to earth. So God saw to it that we would not be left defenseless, as the scripture states "But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.’" God has given us Christ and his authority, to defend against the devil.

Why would God want us to reign over people? That's weird. Don't you remember when Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world"? He said "If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders." So why would his kingdom now suddenly be of this world?

WE NEVER have authority over the devil , even the Arch Angel Michael does not dare to say that

 

[DavidPT]

Luke 10:17
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.’

Per Amil though, since many Amils typically conclude the beginning of the thousand years starts at the cross----ummm---they were already doing some of these things before the thousand years reigning with Christ even began, assuming Amil were correct about this thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

I don't dispute it is meaning all of the righteous. What I dispute is that it is meaning all of the dead combined, both the righteous and unrighteous. The text indicates 'many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake', and not 'all of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake'. Just totally ignore the point I made per verse 3 and this same Hebrew word, right?

Just ignore John 5:28-29, and Revelation 20:11-15 parallel teachings right

 

[DavidPT]

Just ignore John 5:28-29, and Revelation 20:11-15 parallel teachings right

Believe it or not, I'm trying to reason through these things is all. That's why I asked why is the text saying 'many' rather than 'all', if it is meaning all? This same Hebrew word doesn't mean 'all' in the next verse like I pointed out. Apparently no one disputes that it is not meaning 'all' in verse 3. Shouldn't one come to the same conclusion about verse 2 as well? If per verse 2 all of the righteous rise, and some of the unrighteous as well, but not all of the unrighteous, that adds up to many and not all. I have a theory why some of the unrighteous also might rise at that time, but not all of them. These would be the goats, the same ones Jesus said the following to.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

How do they taste of death? When they are raised in order to be present at the sheep and goats judgment, instead of inheriting the kingdom, they are cast into the LOF instead.

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

This gives us the timing of verse 27 above, thus also connects with the following in Matthew 25.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

 

[seventysevens]

Yes, demons and angels are what we reign over.

See our authority over the devil coincides with his being cast down to earth. So God saw to it that we would not be left defenseless, as the scripture states "But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.’" God has given us Christ and his authority, to defend against the devil.

Why would God want us to reign over people? That's weird. Don't you remember when Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world"? He said "If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders." So why would his kingdom now suddenly be of this world?

Very strange ideas you have , as there is no scripture that states that people who do survive the Great Trib that Jesus comes to put an end to will have an immortal body 'cept for those saints who come with Jesus and the angels , that is simply improper interpretation as they will not have an immortal body, they will live under Jesus reign and experience what it is to be reigned over by a True King - we reign with Jesus during the time that satan is imprisoned during 1000 years , if humans suddenly received an immortal body they would not be able to be deceived but satan is given people who he may deceive ,

if there was no one to be deceived, Jesus would not be telling us that there are , after the 1000 years pass and satan deceives who he can fire come s down from heaven and kills them , then comes the GWT judgment and those in that judgment are cast into the lake of fire , all of death , all who would not be permitted in the eternal realm of Jesus are in the lake of fire

Rev20 tells us that the first resurrection is of those who died serving Christ and are brought back to life to reign with Christ during the 1000 years , after the 1000 years are over and all is done , then we all are serving Christ and anyone who is alive is part of the eternal family of God

I suppose to say just be happy with what you believe it will not be long till we see the reality played out in our lives

 

[LastSeven]

what scripture is that Isaiah 60 ?

sigh.

In post 567 I said "The bodily resurrection happens at the last day, just as Jesus and Paul both said."

Then you said "The last day...depending on how the term is used".

Then I said "It can only mean one thing. There are no more days after that day. The sun will no longer rise and set. There will be no night."

Then you said "Yes there will be " plus a passage about a strong nation. That's where you lost me. And now you're asking me about Isaiah 60? I have no idea how we got here.

 

[LastSeven]

Very strange ideas you have , as there is no scripture that states that people who do survive the Great Trib that Jesus comes to put an end to will have an immortal body 'cept for those saints who come with Jesus and the angels , that is simply improper interpretation as they will not have an immortal body, they will live under Jesus reign and experience what it is to be reigned over by a True King - we reign with Jesus during the time that satan is imprisoned during 1000 years , if humans suddenly received an immortal body they would not be able to be deceived but satan is given people who he may deceive ,

if there was no one to be deceived, Jesus would not be telling us that there are , after the 1000 years pass and satan deceives who he can fire come s down from heaven and kills them , then comes the GWT judgment and those in that judgment are cast into the lake of fire , all of death , all who would not be permitted in the eternal realm of Jesus are in the lake of fire

Rev20 tells us that the first resurrection is of those who died serving Christ and are brought back to life to reign with Christ during the 1000 years , after the 1000 years are over and all is done , then we all are serving Christ and anyone who is alive is part of the eternal family of God

I suppose to say just be happy with what you believe it will not be long till we see the reality played out in our lives

I have strange ideas? You think Jesus' kingdom is of this world, even though he said it's not, and you claim to believe scripture. That's strange.

 

[Truth7t7]

Believe it or not, I'm trying to reason through these things is all. That's why I asked why is the text saying 'many' rather than 'all', if it is meaning all? This same Hebrew word doesn't mean 'all' in the next verse like I pointed out. Apparently no one disputes that it is not meaning 'all' in verse 3. Shouldn't one come to the same conclusion about verse 2 as well? If per verse 2 all of the righteous rise, and some of the unrighteous as well, but not all of the unrighteous, that adds up to many and not all. I have a theory why some of the unrighteous also might rise at that time, but not all of them. These would be the goats, the same ones Jesus said the following to.

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

How do they taste of death? When they are raised in order to be present at the sheep and goats judgment, instead of inheriting the kingdom, they are cast into the LOF instead.

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

This gives us the timing of verse 27 above, thus also connects with the following in Matthew 25.

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Im fully aware of why you don't want to use the parallel teachings in John 5:28-29, and Revelation 20:11-15 because "All" both righteous and wicked are shown "Clearly"

This destroys your teaching of "three groups," as you wander about the scripture in desperation seeing what you want to see, to keep your "three group" teaching alive.

I have no animosity towards you Dave, your "three group" teaching isn't in the scripture.

However you might find it in the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, or the apocrypha?

 

[LastSeven]

Per Amil though, since many Amils typically conclude the beginning of the thousand years starts at the cross----ummm---they were already doing some of these things before the thousand years reigning with Christ even began, assuming Amil were correct about this thousand years.

In Matthew 28:18 we read "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

This was after his resurrection. What do you think that means?

 

[DavidPT]

I have no animosity towards you Dave, your "three group" teaching isn't in the scripture.

However you might find it in the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, or the apocrypha?

As far as the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia, nothing I have ever read myself. So I wouldn't know.