happyinhisgrace said:
You have no idea what it is like to come from the darkness to the light.
Oh yes, I do...I came from darkness into light when I left the LDS church and accepted Jesus and his simple truth.
FB: I can understand how you would see it that way.
I was born and raised in it, I didn't know any different until I started to seek Jesus and the truth for myself (of course against the 'caution' of fellow lds who knew the truth would lead me out of the Mormon church)
FB: And so you never believed it? You never had a testimony of it? Are you saying that you never understood the Christ before you left? Nothing that we teach about Christ is similar to what you believe now? If you think this then you really do not understand what we teach.
LOL, typical responce. LDS are taught that people leave because they can't "live the lds standards", well you are right in one respect, I could not go on worshiping a false god and living the standards of unbiblical docterine that the lds church preaches. As far as the whole moral values, coffee, tea etc. I had no problem living those.
FB: There are more to the standards of the church than moral, or WofW problems. But most leave because of the it. You may not have, but still there was a standard that you could not abide by.
Yes, Satan presented me with a test and I failed misserably because I chose Jesus.
FB: You already belonged to the church of Satan as you call it, and Satan tested you? Why? This is not a tactic used by Satan.
My testimony is in Jesus now, not a false god of a false docterinally based church. I thank God every day for giving me the real Jesus and a testimony of that and for bringing me out of the false beliefs of the lds church that I was so emersed in for so long.
FB: I think your testimony should have already been based on Jesus. I think you misunderstand what the LDS teach.
I think if anyone is bitter, it is you from the things you have written in this post and that is sad. So sad that you so detest Christianity and the God of the Bible and find people who speak what the Bible says to be such a spurn to you. I write lots of possitive things about Jesus and God, you just don't like that I write against the LDS church and that is what you choose to see when you read, once again...I am not suprized.
FB: Why would you think I detest Christianity. I have many friends and have been to many churchs over the years. I have felt the spirit in these places of worship. Why would I detest a belief in something I also believe in? No, I think you portray bitterness against the church. You are saying that nothing positive ever happened to you while you were a member? I do not believe it.
He has told me so from His holy word, the Bible and I believe it. It is a simple thing, it is not hard to understand. However, for a person who follows a belief that teaches that God's word is currupt and full of error, of course that person would not believe what God has to say in the Bible.
FB: Cop out. You tell me how you know the bible is anything more than a book. How do you know that the Word of God is from God?
I don't base truth on feelings.
FB: This is such a cop out. Your whole belief is based on feelings. My goodness how do you know whether or not you have faith or not?
I study God's word and use it as my measuring stick for truth. If something I "feel" goes against the Word of God then I know it is not of God.
FB: First you say you don't rely on feelings, and now you say if something you "feel" goes against the word of God. You say that we can not rely on our feelings for truth but you can.
I wrote before on another thread what led me out of the LDS church and straight to Jesus, obviously you didn't read it or chose to ignore it if you did read it.
FB: I am sorry, I really don't remember if I have read it or not. I have done this for many years, and have read so many out stories, that they seem to be the same story over and over again. I realize that it is important to you, but I really don't remember.
The Bible is what led me to God. The more I read it and the more I prayed, the more God SHOWED me it was his Holy Word. It wasn't about "feelings", he showed it to me. Everyday he would point out something to me that I never noticed before or thought of before. Things in my everyday life, to things I read, heard, studied, etc. I didn't choose Jesus because it gave me a "warm fuzzy" feeling or because some "familiar" spirit appeared to me and told me "Jesus was truth", I chose him because he showed me over and over and over again that He was truth and His Holy Word was truth.
FB: This does not tell me anything as to how you know any more than a Hindu, buddist, muslim, Jewish religions.
Believe me when I tell you that I fought him on it for a long time, I wanted to believe the LDS chruch was true, I was raised lds, my entire family is lds, I had invested my entire life into that religion and those beliefs, my flesh DID NOT want to leave the LDS church but God had different plans for me and I thank Him for being so patient with me and for showing me His truth so so so so many times. He knows me so well that He knew he was really going to have to "prove" things to me to get me to leave the falsehoods I embraced and accept His simple gift. It was not a short process by any means and I took it very seriously. Once I finally humbled myself before God and accepted what he had been showing me all that time, yes, I did experience a peace that I had never experienced before.
FB: A feeling? You are trusting a feeling again? I am confused.
My entire life changed at that very moment and it has not been the same since. God changed me! It has been such an incredible walk with God these last 2 years. I just sit back in amazement at the changes God has made in my life. I stopped trying to "earn" his blessings for me and stopped trying "work" for His presence and since then, He has taken over and completely changed my life. Things that used to bother me, don't even phase me anymore, I have more patients with my family. My relationship with my husband has improved 100 times over, I find joy in little things that I never even noticed before. When the bills come in and there is no money, I don't worry one little bit about it because I know that God will provide a way and He always does. Life is sweeter now. The situations and problems of life are just as present as they used to be, if not more so but I am content and at peace with my life. I know that if I were to die tomarrow, I would be with my savior...not because of anything I have done to earn it but because of what he did for me. I know it because the Bible says it and I believe it. I have done NOTHING to change my life but Jesus has done everything to change it. I used to put soooooooo much effort into being the perfect wife, the perfect mother, the perfect friend, perfect lesson teacher at church, perfect example, perfect Mormon and never felt like I was doing enough or pleasing God enough. Now Jesus does it all for me (except the Mormon thing...lol) and I know He is pleased with me, I know I am going to Heaven and I believe in Him heart and soul. He is everything to me, everything! I don't need secret oaths and handshakes, I don't need perfect works and I don't need to follow the teachings of a "prophet" to get me into heaven with my God forever, I just need Jesus! The world will pass away one day and all this earthly stuff will be gone but I will be in Heaven at the feet of Lord, worshipping Him in awe and amazement, and that my friend, is all that matters!
FB: You talk the talk, but you don't walk the talk. By your own admission, you did the same thing we say we do to find truth. So tell me how you know I am wrong and prove it this time. I have read the Bible, and have studied church history, and the teachings and doctrines of many religions. I disagree with your conclusions about the church. It is really interesting that the very thing you deny you believe is the very thing that you do. I can also understand how it would seem like a great burden was lifted once you felt the release of trying to be perfect. Even though the Bible teaches us to be perfect, we are only expected to do our best. What a shame that you felt such pressure to be more than what was expected. Your best Grace. Did you do your best when you were in the church?