I'm have not read every post in the thread, and am not sure I'm going to read all five pages. Is someone saying that Gentiles SHOULD become Jews? That is not a claim of Messianism or Messianic Judaism.Ahh, but why preach a need to be Jew?
Israel was not multinational. The mixed multitude that joined it became Israelites. There were sojourners in the land, but they did not become part of Israel. Often, their children did, becoming Israelites, but then having become Israelites, they weren't another nationality anymore.Israel was multinational, and is multinational. Besides the Hebrews, other people joined Moses when they came out of Egypt.
I'm not sure what you mean. Ritual purity has nothing to do with sin. It's ceremonial. I do it. I wash my hands and stuff. Very MJ.We in MJ recognise the futility of ritual purity,
I get so tired of arguing with you about this. Jews disagree with you. Enough said.A Jew is a convert to Orthodox Judaism and the Hebrews are an ethnic group of people.
Again, Jews disagree. Enough said.No, they become children of Abraham: Hebrews.
1. The Catholic Church no longer allows the teaching of Replacement Theology. See the Vatican 2 document Nostra Aetate.Replacement Theology is where the Catholic Church takes the place of Israel and the Rabbi's.
Seventh Day AdventistI am not aware of any other denomination preaching RT.
The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable Romans 11:29Although Replacement Theology is not correct, there still remains the fact that the Old Covenant has been revoked.
Genesis 17:13The Covenant of Circumcision was a means for other people from other nations to enter that covenant with God.
The Covenant of Circumcision was conditional, and because it was continually broken, it was revoked by God.
He is correct. You are teaching that we SHOULD NOT obey all aspects of the Torah. That is contrary to the SOP, which he quoted to you.You are making another false allegation. The Sabbath and moral commands remain. It was the priesthood that was changed and the festivals done away with. To say it is not so is Anti-Christ.
There is more than one place in Genesis that it says "everlasting covenant." You did not reply yet to my quote about circumcision being an everlasting covenant.I see everyone dodged my question and ignored the scriptures I posted.
Those that were condemning Yeshua and His Disciples for not washing their hands, were very concerned over the importance of hand washing and walking the pure life.I'm not sure what you mean. Ritual purity has nothing to do with sin. It's ceremonial. I do it. I wash my hands and stuff. Very MJ.
I've ran into a few teachings on this sunject recently, and it has left me wondering how this is justified by someone who believes the New Testament. They say that Christians actually should get circumcised as an act of obedience, yet I am not convinced that this is what the New Testament teaches.
In Acts 15 the council in Jerusalem concludes that circumcision is unnecessary for the Gentiles, and then maybe 10 years later, ( according to one timeline) when Paul goes on his last known trip to Jerusalem, they seem to be telling the Gentiles the same thing. Also in all the many places Paul tells his readers the whoever is circumcised, he is fallen from grace! In order to fall from grace you had to be in it in the first place I would think. So I may be wrong, but these are Gentiles who are already saved, being told not to be circumcised.
We do have the example of Timothy being circumcised, but I've never heard of a better explanation for this other than it was so that Timothy could participate in things that an uncircumcised man could not, and that he might be more respectable to the other Jews.
I may totally be wrong and if someone disagrees with me please share your understanding of the scriptures.
Governing authorities.I disagree. Josephus tells us the priests were the head of government as Judges in the beginning, and remained for a very long time.
This IMO agrees with all scripture.
Dt 17:9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
De 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:
Paul a pharasee, receiving Letters from the high priest gave him authority. IOW, a decree from the high priest
1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Ac 22:5 As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.
Ac 23:5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
Ac 28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
By change of preisthood.You are making another false allegation. The Sabbath and moral commands remain. It was the priesthood that was changed and the festivals done away with. To say it is not so is Anti-Christ.
Wrong!Israel was not multinational. The mixed multitude that joined it became Israelites. There were sojourners in the land, but they did not become part of Israel. Often, their children did, becoming Israelites, but then having become Israelites, they weren't another nationality anymore.
Everlasting means continual, that is, unless the covenant should be revoked.There is more than one place in Genesis that it says "everlasting covenant." You did not reply yet to my quote about circumcision being an everlasting covenant.
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