Meet the People Who Were Passed Over For Obama

[lawtonfogle]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/meet_the_people_who_were_passe.asp


Meet the People Who Were Passed Over for Obama

Sima Samar, women's rights activist in Afghanistan: "With dogged persistence and at great personal risk, she kept her schools and clinics open in Afghanistan even during the most repressive days of the Taliban regime, whose laws prohibited the education of girls past the age of eight. When the Taliban fell, Samar returned to Kabul and accepted the post of Minister for Women's Affairs." (did something in real life)

Ingrid Betancourt: French-Colombian ex-hostage held for six years.(really did so something actually)

"Dr. Denis Mukwege: Doctor, founder and head of Panzi Hospital in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of Congo. He has dedicated his life to helping Congolese women and girls who are victims of gang rape and brutal sexual violence." (did something in real life)

Handicap International and Cluster Munition Coalition: "These organizations are recognized for their consistently serious efforts to clean up cluster bombs, also known as land mines. Innocent civilians are regularly killed worldwide because the unseen bombs explode when stepped upon."
(actually did something)

"Hu Jia, a human rights activist and an outspoken critic of the Chinese government, who was sentenced last year to a three-and-a-half-year prison term for 'inciting subversion of state power.'" (really did so something)


"Wei Jingsheng, who spent 17 years in Chinese prisons for urging reforms of China's communist system. He now lives in the U.S.
(really cares about people)

Won the Nobel Peace Prize: Obama- apologized for america to other countries and shook hands with them in 9 months.

The land mind one is about as close to the nobel peace prize that I can see in that entire list.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Maybe but that doesn't change the fact that at the time of the nomination, he had DONE absolutley nothing to warrant consideration.

Talk to the guy who nominated him then.

 

[Gawron]

Reading over these various threads, I am simply amazed and astounded at the sheer idolatry given to Obama on this and other questions. But the logic used to defend him and criticize others amounts to nothing more than "obama won, therefore he deserved it, so you shut up".

Claiming that Obama got the award because he wants world peace, because he speaks about world peace, because he was committed to world peace during his campaign, justifies nothing. As I said on another thread, he has done as much to achieve world peace as he has to win the national league Cy Young award, and giving him this prize makes as much sense as if Obama were to win an award meant for people who actually pitch in the national league.

Take a look around the world. Do any of you actually see of the petty dictators or fundamentalist sociopaths changing their ways? Disarming? Renouncing terrorism? Curbing the violence? Trashing their own military and nuclear stockpiles? Unclenching their fist?

I thought not.

But someone asked why did Obama win the award. Two primary reasons.

1. One more slap in the face to the prior administration.

2. To politically influence the future decisions Obama makes in regard to projecting American power around the world.

 

[salida]

Canukian-

It should be called the antichrist peace prize or the Nobel Bogus Prize.

True - winning this bogus prize gives Obama more of a reason to make america look like a fool to other countries. Thus, he will apologize for america even more - oh great, I can't wait for this vomit to come out of Obama's mouth.

Lawtonfoggle-

Any one of those people have done more for mankind than Obama in real life period!

 

[dusky_tresses]

I think the real issue here is that Obama has not really achieved or contributed anything as to date. I think it would have been more humble on his part to say "I am deeply honored, thank you, but I cannot accept this award."

I find it most interesting that people from outside the U.S. see Obama as someone who will bring the U.S. back into international relations and restore our image, but as Americans...we need to see some results.

 

[TheNewWorldMan]

Reading over these various threads, I am simply amazed and astounded at the sheer idolatry given to Obama on this and other questions. But the logic used to defend him and criticize others amounts to nothing more than "obama won, therefore he deserved it, so you shut up".

Of course, this couldn't possibly have anything to do with the "market" for anti-Obama statements being full to saturation and then some...

Having said that, I think it would be fair to say that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to Obama was a decision borne far more from hope of future outcomes than on extant acts of Obama himself.

Whether or not this is a Bad Thing...well, I think only time will tell. This is hardly the first time this Nobel has been awarded more from a desire to catalyze change than for change already manifest. There have been some hits, and there have been some misses, to be sure.

 

[blueapplepaste]

Reading over these various threads, I am simply amazed and astounded at the sheer idolatry given to Obama on this and other questions. But the logic used to defend him and criticize others amounts to nothing more than "obama won, therefore he deserved it, so you shut up".

Its funny, I wonder the same thing about the anti-Obama threads.

And in this case, most have been saying he doesn't deserve it, but are simply defending him by pointing out that he didn't choose to win. He can't control it, yet as is typical, they attack him for it, even though he had no control one way or the other.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Canukian-

It should be called the antichrist peace prize or the Nobel Bogus Prize.

True - winning this bogus prize gives Obama more of a reason to make america look like a fool to other countries. Thus, he will apologize for america even more - oh great, I can't wait for this vomit to come out of Obama's mouth.

Lawtonfoggle-

Any one of those people have done more for mankind than Obama in real life period!

You may have misread me. When I said 'people on that list', I was referring to the entire list, including the part with Obama. Basically, the others I don't count because while they are fighting for civil right and against oppression, this isn't the Nobel Humanitarian Prize, but the Nobel Peace Prize. Then again, I may be taking the mean of it a bit strictly, as in actually working to lessen the impact of wars.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Canukian-

It should be called the antichrist peace prize or the Nobel Bogus Prize.

True - winning this bogus prize gives Obama more of a reason to make america look like a fool to other countries. Thus, he will apologize for america even more - oh great, I can't wait for this vomit to come out of Obama's mouth.

What is wrong with apologising for American errors and admitting that the US is not perfect?

 

[kiwimac]

The US is ALWAYS perfect, even when it is not.

 

[phenry]

Any of those folks would have been a better choice than Obama, a war criminal just like Bush. They should call it the Bizarro World Peace Prize. On the other hand, why should anyone be surprised. Kissinger got one! And the Keynesian Paul Krugman got one for economics. It is to laugh!

 

[Baggins]

That's because the Keynsian economic model has been shown to work time and time again everytime it pulls the laissez Faire model of of the dung hill it crashes the world economy into when it is foisted on us by the swivel eyed idealogues of the right.

Whe the world needed to recover from teh second world war who did they turn to?

The economic right never tire of being wrong and the Keynian model never tires of sorting out the mess they leave behind.

 

[FrenchAffair]

It's amazing how all it takes for all to turn these "patriotic" Americans, who for the last 8 years denounced anyone that even looked at G.W wrong as unamerican is to make the president black.....

 

[David Brider]

It should be called the antichrist peace prize...

Why?

True - winning this bogus prize gives Obama more of a reason to make america look like a fool to other countries.

There are people - I suspect a great many people, of whom I'm one - who believe that Bush did a brilliant job for eight years of making America look like a fool to other countries, and that Obama, far from following that trend, is in fact more likely to reverse it and restore America's reputation.

Thus, he will apologize for america even more...

I've asked you this before, and not received any response - can you give me any examples of Obama "apologising for America"? Can you explain - regardless of whether he has done so or not - how "apologising for America" (which I suspect is more likely to mean "apologising for the mistakes of the Bush administration") is a bad thing?

David.

 

[David Brider]

Reading over these various threads, I am simply amazed and astounded at the sheer idolatry given to Obama on this and other questions. But the logic used to defend him and criticize others amounts to nothing more than "obama won, therefore he deserved it, so you shut up".

It seems to me that the majority of pro-Obama people, far from engaging in "idolatry", are if anything making the point that actually, giving Obama the peace prize this early in his administration is rather premature. Certainly there is every hope that he will do things to justify winning the prize, but that's not the same as "obama won, therefore he deserved it, so you shut up".

However, the decision has been made, so there doesn't seem to be much that can be done about it at this stage, so we may as well just learn to live with it.

David.

 

[katherine2001]

What is wrong with apologising for American errors and admitting that the US is not perfect?

In fact, isn't this the Christian thing to do, and aren't we a "Christian nation" according to many conservatives?

 

[Suomipoika]

What is wrong with apologising for American errors and admitting that the US is not perfect?

Heh, didn't even Palin refer to the U.S. as not being perfect in some of her speeches? "He believes America is imperfect enough to..." or something like that.

 

[DaisyDay]

I think the real issue here is that Obama has not really achieved or contributed anything as to date. I think it would have been more humble on his part to say "I am deeply honored, thank you, but I cannot accept this award."

He closed the "black ops" torture camps of the previous administration, he has opened talks with nations previously deemed untouchables, he has started winding down the war in Iraq, he is working with NATO on how to best deal with the war in Afghanistan, he's bringing health care to the people of his nation.

I find it most interesting that people from outside the U.S. see Obama as someone who will bring the U.S. back into international relations and restore our image, but as Americans...we need to see some results.

Mark 6:4

 

[DeathMagus]

::laughs::

You guys do know why the Nobel Peace Prize was created in the first place, don't you?

 

[DaisyDay]

But someone asked why did Obama win the award. Two primary reasons.

1. One more slap in the face to the prior administration.

2. To politically influence the future decisions Obama makes in regard to projecting American power around the world.

You may be right on these two points.