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Free will doesnt mean we have reign to do whatever we want without consequences either. A woman can choose to be unsubmissive to her husband, but she'll be held accountable to God for her actions just as an unloving hubsand will be held accountable to God.
 
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If your boss tells you do to something, I doubt you'll refuse him. You are expected to submit and you know that's your role (we've already dealt with the whole sin thing already, noneed to rehash it) so you do it. But yet women constantly argue the idea that they should submit to the husbands they actually chose to marry!
 
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Free will doesnt mean we have reign to do whatever we want without consequences either. A woman can choose to be unsubmissive to her husband, but she'll be held accountable to God for her actions just as an unloving hubsand will be held accountable to God.
And that's not something that troubles me. It's not a salvation issue.
 
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If your boss tells you do to something, I doubt you'll refuse him. You are expected to submit and you know that's your role (we've already dealt with the whole sin thing already, noneed to rehash it) so you do it. But yet women constantly argue the idea that they should submit to the husbands they actually chose to marry!
I don't submit to my boss in the way you submit to your husband. It's entirely different.

Why is the submission debate being hashed yet again? Why do you think you will change anyone's minds? Do you expect me to go home and argue with my husband and order him to allow me to submit? LOL. That would be SO messed up.
 
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Why is everyone always concerned what is and isnt a salvational issue? I mean once we're saved haven't we graduated to a better question: "Does this please the Lord and am I carrying out His instructions?"
I don't who "everyone" is, but I'm fine with the way I'm carrying out my Christian life, and I'm glad when people don't feel the need to check how my standing is with Him just because I don't build my lifestyle around one scripture.

I don't question anyone else's walk with God. I figure they are grown up and they know where they are, and what they're doing.

I would like that same respect.
 
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Submission is an attitude of the heart first and foremost. It doesn't require a long conversation with a spouse. I wouldnt expect my husband to say "Hey, im gonna start being loving". I'd rather him just show it. Same goes for women, just make the change and see how God blesses the marriage even further.
 
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See the thing is, for families, for nations, for morality - God does have a standard. It's not every man for himself and to each his own. Scriptures even warn against that attitude multiple times when you see the mention of "And they did what was right in their own eyes" verses "They did right in the sight of the Lord".
 
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Submission is an attitude of the heart first and foremost. It doesn't require a long conversation with a spouse. I wouldnt expect my husband to say "Hey, im gonna start being loving". I'd rather him just show it. Same goes for women, just make the change and see how God blesses the marriage even further.
I'm not going to make a change that my husband has already told me he doesn't like.
 
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See the thing is, for families, for nations, for morality - God does have a standard. It's not every man for himself and to each his own. Scriptures even warn against that attitude multiple times when you see the mention of "And they did what was right in their own eyes" verses "They did right in the sight of the Lord".
Right. And how many scriptures are there in the Bible? And do all of us conform to every single one of them? I have my serious doubts that we do. Unless/until you do, you have no right to lecture anyone else that they are not keeping to God's standards.
 
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Personally, I’m OFFENDED when someone demands (with a bit of *knowing* attitude about what I should be doing in my marriage without having ever met me or my husband). It’s so unbecoming and doesn’t reflect a meek and quiet spirit. There is NO sin in not calling your husband master and scraping and bowing to his every whim. Bleh.
 
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Then no one should ever be preaching about anything if that's the case, right? It's fallible logic to say that if someoen doesnt undersatnd every single scripture, then tey shouldnt teach on anytihng. Really?
That's fine with me. A forum is not the place to be preaching anyawy.
 
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Then it becomes some sort of weird one-upsmanship as to who is worshipping their husband the "best". Do you can your own veggies? -- Nope. Well I do. Dinner is never late on the table. My husband gets sex whenever he wants it. I never raise my voice. I bow and scrape and he makes every important decision in our lives. He *allowed* me to have pain medication during childbirth, but I told him I could do it without it and he was so proud of me. Are submission enough? What's enough?
 
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I'm just not going to continue on arguing this pov. It's fine for you, that's fine. As I have said before, in all respects, my marriage is NO different to someone who claims submission. We neither of us spend a whole bunch of money without discussing it with each other first, we neither of us make decisions without asking the other first. I don't shout at him and order him around - seriously, you cannot imagine how LOUDLY he would shout back. My boss is not on a level with my husband in any way. Assigning submission to a male boss is creepy. And, anyway, there are plenty of female bosses, and in fact I supervise both male and female employees. Does that mean they are submitting to me? Wow, that sure messes up the submission theory. My boss also has males under his supervision. Guess that's males submitting to males. Yeah .. it doesn't work.

My husband and I submit to each other. That's not going to change no matter how many posts are made on the subject.
 
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