McCain warns: Dictators get started by suppressing the press

[SoldierOfTheKing]

They cheered him. They supported him. And now they work for him.

"They" meaning the establishment?!

 

[bhsmte]

They cheered him. They supported him. And now they work for him.

What are you waiting for -- a wedding invitation?

Any of that is a show. He is still loathed by many in the establishment. And, many didn't support him. How many republicans didn't come to the inaguaration?

 

[KCfromNC]

There is a lot of middle class under employed and they are not happy about it. I believe, some of the middle class, eventually got tired of democrats talking a good game with the middle class, but still making sure the wealthy establishment, were doing very well.

Could be, but the weird part is they voted in a self proclaimed multi-millionaire businessman with a history of screwing over the people who work for him.

Kinda makes me think the real reason has more to do with conspiracy theories pitched by right-wing radio hosts.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Could be, but the weird part is they voted in a self proclaimed multi-millionaire businessman with a history of screwing over the people who work for him.

Kinda makes me think the real reason has more to do with conspiracy theories pitched by right-wing radio hosts.

I think not everyone judges on such statistical standards involving prior histories. At least I don't... I go by honoring their word, as naive as that may seem. I call it "guy code".

...But there are consequences for betraying the guy code.

 

[Rion]

Whoa, whoa. Trump is attacking his friends in the establishment? The guy who is appointing billionaires and corporate CEO's to his Cabinet is attacking the establishment? I think not. Rather, he pretends to do so, which fools his gullible followers. He is probably the most establishment President in my lifetime.

Trump is building his own version of the establishment. As these two clash, it provides an opportunity for the public to regain some lost measure of control.

Attacking establishments that have the gaul to report what he says, yes. Attacking politicians yes.

The way the majority of the media has reported on Trump is tantamount to propaganda. That a man of Trump's disposition would call them out on it isn't particularly surprising..

The recession was well underway by the time Obama assumed power.


The Great Recession was the worst since the 1929 Depression. It was also the longest since the Depression, lasting 18 months (December 2007 - June 2009). The Subprime Mortgage Crisis was the trigger. That created a global banking bank credit crisis.

11 Recessions Since the Great Depression


....and guess who is planning to roll back Dodd-Frank regulations?

Yes, it was. I don't deny that. I'm not blaming him for the recession, but for extending it with his poor economy plans.

Trump is the establishment now.

Read above. He's trying to replace the current establishment with one of his own.

Except for the 75 consecutive months of job growth.

Poe?

Anemic growth and McJobs a recovery does not make.

I do not see it as particularly insulting, especially since I was just called an "idiot" in another thread by a "supporter of the Commander and Chief of our nation".

However, I will cease using the term.

There's a lot of terms that can't be used for whatever reason. It's kind of dumb.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Trump is building his own version of the establishment. As these two clash, it provides an opportunity for the public to regain some lost measure of control.

The old bosses on one side, the new boss on the other, and the people decide "none of the above"?

 

[rambot]

The way the majority of the media has reported on Trump is tantamount to propaganda. That a man of Trump's disposition would call them out on it isn't particularly surprising...

So when he demonstrably lies; and his spokes people lie (like, full on, easily proveable lies), the press calls them on it.

How and why should we expect truth to come out of them when they lie about such basic stuff?

It isn't the media's "propoganda" that is making me question this administration; it's their antagonistic, unpredictable behaviours.

 

[Rion]

So when he demonstrably lies; and his spokes people lie (like, full on, easily proveable lies), the press calls them on it.

How and why should we expect truth to come out of them when they lie about such basic stuff?

It isn't the media's "propoganda" that is making me question this administration; it's their antagonistic, unpredictable behaviours.

Where did I say expect the truth out of them? They're going to spin things just like any other administration. The difference here is that the media is actually more dishonest than these jokers.

 

[bhsmte]

Could be, but the weird part is they voted in a self proclaimed multi-millionaire businessman with a history of screwing over the people who work for him.

Kinda makes me think the real reason has more to do with conspiracy theories pitched by right-wing radio hosts.

IMO, much more to do with being fed up with elitist/establishment politicians. Both democrats and republicans shared this, with sanders getting more support than anticipated and trump beating 16 establishment politicians. A lot of democrats who voted for obama and especially; women, hispanics and blacks, didnt vote for clinton. That is the biggest fact to take from this election.

 

[rambot]

Where did I say expect the truth out of them? They're going to spin things just like any other administration. The difference here is that the media is actually more dishonest than these jokers.

So fomenting hatred through lies is alright?

There are organizations that called Obama out on his lies too; politifact for eg.

Trump just lies, so very much more.

 

[Rion]

So fomenting hatred through lies is alright?

There are organizations that called Obama out on his lies too; politifact for eg.

Trump just lies, so very much more.

A) I never said that.
B) Politifact is about as biased an example as you could pick.

 

[expos4ever]

The difference here is that the media is actually more dishonest than these jokers.

This claim that the mainstream media is dishonest is heard often. Does anyone have any actual evidence - any credible, hard data - that demonstrates that there is a significant "honesty" problem in the media.

I doubt any such data will be forthcoming, but let's see.

 

[rambot]

A) I never said that.
B) Politifact is about as biased an example as you could pick.

Sorry, I can't keep it straight. One more Trump supporters are quoting a website, the next moment it's a socialist rag meant to undermine the entire country.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Could be, but the weird part is they voted in a self proclaimed multi-millionaire businessman with a history of screwing over the people who work for him.

Kinda makes me think the real reason has more to do with conspiracy theories pitched by right-wing radio hosts.

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[Ygrene Imref]

So when he demonstrably lies; and his spokes people lie (like, full on, easily proveable lies), the press calls them on it.

How and why should we expect truth to come out of them when they lie about such basic stuff?

It isn't the media's "propoganda" that is making me question this administration; it's their antagonistic, unpredictable behaviours.

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[rambot]

This claim that the mainstream media is dishonest is heard often. Does anyone have any actual evidence - any credible, hard data - that demonstrates that there is a significant "honesty" problem in the media.

I doubt any such data will be forthcoming, but let's see.

There was a whole thread on this. IT was 5 pages of laying out guidelines to clarify and about 3 posts with links. One of the pages had 63 or so examples and, though the original poster had offerred to collect individual stories, nobody was willing to put the effort in. So, while there are undoubtedly examples of media "lying", chances are fantastic that a lot of these examples aren't really all that solid. We'll never know because supporters don't put much effort into convincing people that they are correct. Like Trump himself, they probably just assume that people should believe him because he's so great and smart.... You know:

 

[rambot]

To be clear Rion, I CAN agree that the press could have done more to take Obama to task. I don't think that they were criminally negligent or anything but certainly, they could have been a bit more critical.

 

[Rion]

Sorry, I can't keep it straight. One more Trump supporters are quoting a website, the next moment it's a socialist rag meant to undermine the entire country.

I'm not a Trump supporter, nor do I ever quote Politifact.

 

[rambot]

Is this bias then?

All False statements involving Barack Obama | PolitiFact

 

[bhsmte]

To be clear Rion, I CAN agree that the press could have done more to take Obama to task. I don't think that they were criminally negligent or anything but certainly, they could have been a bit more critical.

They did give obama a long, long honeymoon and where never overly harsh on him. IMO, the fact that he was the first black president, likely had something to do with it.