Mayor Pete to President Pete

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He is saying, quite specifically and on this very topic, that it is not our place to call out wicked sexual behavior where it exists outside the Church.
Too many have this principle backwards, they want to call out the sins of society at large and be lenient, turning a blind eye to the immorality, lies etc that is infiltrating into the church.
Homosexuality has no place in the Church nor among believers. Outside of the Church, it's none of my business. My task is to love everyone.
Mayor Pete claims to be a Christian, so he's a member of the church somewhere. I see no reason why we cannot call out his wickedness and more to the point I see no reason not to call out Christians for voting for someone who flagrantly sins against God as Mayor Pete does.
 
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He is definitely not far left, but I'm not sure I would classify him as a moderate either.
I suppose there is room to debate how far left one can go.

He may not be a full-blown and unapologetic Socialist like Bernie, but he's not moderate and he is very similar in his policies to both Bernie and Warren, which means 'not at all moderate.'
 
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I suppose there is room to debate how far left one can go.
Agree
He may not be a full-blown and unapologetic Socialist like Bernie, but he's not moderate and he is very similar in his policies to both Bernie and Warren, which means 'not at all moderate.'
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That chart with the four boxes is better than the traditional left-right straight line scale. However, the dots on it, by whoever positioned them there, is laughably incorrect. Tom Steyer, for example is considered an authoritarian and Bernie is supposed to be a variety of Libertarian, both of which positionings are ridiculous.
 
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That chart with the four boxes is better than the traditional left-right straight line scale. However, the dots on it, by whoever positioned them there, is laughably incorrect. Tom Steyer, for example is considered an authoritarian and Bernie is supposed to be a variety of Libertarian, both of which positionings are ridiculous.
The Authoritarian and Libertarian scale is evaluating social issues, not economics, I see it as being a decent representation on the issues, as a general guide.
Bernie is a social libertarian on issues like LGBQ issues, abortion, etc I can't think of a social issue where Bernie is authoritarian but maybe it exists???

The placements explained
 
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The Authoritarian and Libertarian scale is evaluating social issues, not economics, I see it as being a decent representation on the issues, as a general guide.
I understand how the scale works and, you're right, it is not all about economics.

Bernie is a social libertarian on issues like LGBQ issues, abortion, etc I can't think of a social issue where Bernie is authoritarian but maybe it exists???
You may be under the impression that some of his policies are not what they are simply because of artful but misleading labelling. Socialized Medicine is not, for example, "Medicare for ALL" and it's not even Medicare!
 
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Socialized Medicine is not, for example, "Medicare for ALL" and it's not even Medicare!
Agree and that would place socialized medicine toward the left on the left/right economic scale (government control). Healthcare as an economic issue would show that the further to the "right" on the scale, would be representing the for-profit, corporate control. The introduction of regulations, price controls etc would move leftward toward government control, with complete government control on the extreme left.
I see no problem with the placement, Bernie could be further left on this specific issue but the chart encompasses more than one issue.
 
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I see no problem with the placement, Bernie could be further left on this specific issue but the chart encompasses more than one issue.

Well, Socialism is by nature, Statist. It's authoritarian. And Bernie is an admirer of Stalinism, no less. So there is really no room there for placing him farther towards libertarianism than authoritarianism on such a chart, but that is what this one does.
 
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I know he is dead, but is Pat Paulsen still in the running?

"I've upped my standards. Now, up yours."

"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."

"Assuming either the Left Wing or the Right Wing gained control of the country, it would probably fly around in circles."
 
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I believe my wife and I voted for the Constitution Party candidate. It was a pure protest vote. I will be doing the same in the GOP primary in a few weeks.
so you voted for Darrell Castle a man who supports the abomination of SSM but also the decriminalization of other abominations like prostitution, drugs and gambling.

So. Pete is a horrible person but you still looked the other way and voted for a heathen who celebrates abominations. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Mayor Pete claims to be a Christian, so he's a member of the church somewhere. I see no reason why we cannot call out his wickedness and more to the point I see no reason not to call out Christians for voting for someone who flagrantly sins against God as Mayor Pete does.

Then also callout your own wickedness. You are in the same boat as Mayor Pete. We all are. Don't condemn Mayor Pete without condemning yourself.
 
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so you voted for Darrell Castle a man who supports the abomination of SSM but also the decriminalization of other abominations like prostitution, drugs and gambling.

So. Pete is a horrible person but you still looked the other way and voted for a heathen who celebrates abominations. :oldthumbsup:
I don't recall him supporting ssm. If he did, I certainly didn't know about it and wouldn't have voted for him had I known.
 
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Then also callout your own wickedness. You are in the same boat as Mayor Pete. We all are. Don't condemn Mayor Pete without condemning yourself.
The difference is that I am not celebrating my sin nor do I expect society to tolerate and celebrate it. Mayor Pete not only celebrates his sin, he identifies himself with it.
 
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(snip) Christians have no business denying God's law and celebrating that which God calls an abomination.
Well, if 2016 has taught us anything it's this: Some Evangelical Christians in America will abandon everything they ever claimed to believe in in order to get the candidate they want elected. :wave:
tulc(and apparently be happy to do so) :sorry:
 
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Some Evangelical Christians in America will abandon everything they ever claimed to believe
Don't recall them believing that we are to change to suit God's will rather than use God to justify our actions. It's seemed to be more a case of self than selfless. That concept doesn't appear to have been abandoned.
 
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I don't recall him supporting ssm. If he did, I certainly didn't know about it and wouldn't have voted for him had I known.
May i suggest you look into the American Freedom Party. They hate gays...and women, and blacks, and Jews, and Hispanics Muslims, Native American's, anyone at all how has an ancestor form Asia, immigrants, the poor....and a whole lot more people.
 
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The difference is that I am not celebrating my sin nor do I expect society to tolerate and celebrate it. Mayor Pete not only celebrates his sin, he identifies himself with it.
so you would be good with him if he would just start lying about who he is and his marriage and his family. We all know that God doesn't have any problems with lying.
 
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May i suggest you look into the American Freedom Party. They hate gays...and women, and blacks, and Jews, and Hispanics Muslims, Native American's, anyone at all how has an ancestor form Asia, immigrants, the poor....and a whole lot more people.
Again...

"All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian." ...P Paulsen
 
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The difference is that I am not celebrating my sin nor do I expect society to tolerate and celebrate it. Mayor Pete not only celebrates his sin, he identifies himself with it.

There is no difference. You, like me, are a sinner. Your sin is no less than the sin of any other man. To think otherwise is to delude yourself.

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-2

Jesus preached acceptance, acceptance that we are all sinners and have no right to judge anyone else for their sin.
 
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