May we discuss Adam & Eve?

[Bevlina]

I believe Adam may have been larger than man is today, but oh boy, that's a BIIIG man farside! 60 cubits tall? Noooooo .... I can't quite accept that.

 

[urnotme]

Hi all!

Of what possible relevance could Adam's height be? As Buddha would say, this is a question that does not edify.

Don't get hung up on trees when there's a whole forest around you!

Be well!

ssv

That's a problem with a lot of people,they don't see the forrest for the trees, I think that's why their's so many sects of islam and denominations of christianity, thanks for the reminder. Not to get off topic but what is the diferance beyween orthodox and reform judaism.

 

[urnotme]

In Islam, the Arabic word for yetzer hara is nafs.

The Qur'an has described at least 3 main types of the Nafs. And these are in rank from the worse to better: Nafs al-Ammara Bissu' (the Nafs that urges evil - yitzer ra), Nafs al-Lawwama (the Nafs that Blames) and Nafs al-Mutma`inna (the Nafs at Peace - yitzer tov).

"The (human) soul is certainly prone to evil" - Qur'an 12:53

stillsmallvoice

Any information in how many children Adam & Eve had according to Judaism? Names?

From ahadith sources, Eve had 19 sets of mixed twins and a final birth of a son. Each pregnancy was spaced by 2 years.

WOW 39 kids, talk about a big family, and I thought Catholics had big familys. .

 

[urnotme]

Christians believe the same Islam. Only the names we call the brothers are Cain and Abel. Other Christians would verify this I am sure.

I don't think it says he used a rock but the rest is comparable to the bible.

 

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi all!

Oh, I almost forgot. Our view is that Adam & Eve had lots of kids; see Genesis 5:4.

Urnotme, you asked:

Not to get off topic but what is the diferance beyween orthodox and reform judaism.

OK...

Traditional, normative Judaism is orthodox (orthodoxy being a far broader spectrum than many non-Jews, and many non-orthodox Jews, seem to realize; see http://www.jewfaq.org/movement.htm#US for a good summary on orthodoxy & the other, so-called, "movements" within Judaism). The Reform & Conservative "movements" are newfangled movements that developed in Europe (in Protestant northern Germany), in reaction to the Enlightenment. They have either modified or junked so many core Jewish beliefs and, in effect, make it up as they go along, influenced by whatever happens to be trendy at the moment & taking care to be "politically correct". This is Judaism??!! I grew up, as I like to say, de jure Conservative but de facto nothing. I looked at what the Conservative & Reform movements had to offer & was thoroughly underwhelmed & unimpressed. Orthodox Judaism is all-encompassing, requires a deep emotional commitment & provides much spiritual food (kosher, of course ) for the soul. Orthodox Judaism believes that the Torah comes from God; the Reform movement does not. The Conservative movement tries to straddle a middle ground that does not exist. If one does not believe that the Torah is from God, then what's the point? Judaism is not, and never has been, an everyone-for-him/herself religion. Orthodoxy recognizes that there is a certain set of core beliefs that are immutable & which serve to bind all Jews everywhere, much as they have for thousands of years. Take Shabbat (i.e. the Sabbath, see http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm), most of the observance of which the Reform movement has junked altogether (I guess they ignore Isaiah 56:1-2 and 56:6-7) & which the Conservative movement has made "optional." An early Zionist writer wrote, about this binding set of core beliefs & norms which I've just mentioned, "More than the Jews have kept Shabbat, Shabbat has kept the Jews." When this communal/social glue is thrown aside, communal/social chaos is the result. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory), once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal.

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv

 

[Bookofknowledge]

But, these are narrations Bok, we need cold hard evidence here. We need bones! And a tapemeasure!

People of Musa (AS) also asked that they wanted evidence to believe and they were given sign after sign yet they asked 'why not Allah talks to us face to face' and people of Jesus (AS) made Jesus to ask God to send food from heaven. yet after the clear signs mankind have failed to obey the Law of Creator.

It is not to forget that indeed it a promise of Allah that He will show signs to mankind that it will be clear to mankind that Qur’aan was revealed by Allah.

If Allah will there can be a body buried somewhere on this planet to prove mankind that it is easy for Allah to give such a height to mankind since Allah is the one who created mankind.

If Allah will there can be a generation which will be 60 feet tall in future, what if you and me are not alive by that time to see for ourselves just like those who believed universe is steady and constant - Those who died with a believe that this universe is constant - have they not died with false believe?

Simply saying it is not possible because medical science have not found such finding is not an excuse to disregard believes. If medical science have not found any thing then it is possible because humans are buried and the bones are decomposed within 2-3 centuries and how old is medical science?

 

[Green Man]

Simply saying it is not possible because medical science have not found such finding is not an excuse to disregard believes. If medical science have not found any thing then it is possible because humans are buried and the bones are decomposed within 2-3 centuries and how old is medical science?

It would not be possible for any living creature that large to survive on land.It would be forced to live in the water in order to support it's weight.When large whales beach themselves,they invariably die from suffocation due to their sheer size and weight unless people are able to get them back into the water.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

It would not be possible for any living creature that large to survive on land.It would be forced to live in the water in order to support it's weight.When large whales beach themselves,they invariably die from suffocation due to their sheer size and weight unless people are able to get them back into the water.

We are talking about human... can there be a skiny person and still be alive? and with regards to land - tell me is it not true that land has changed?

 

[Fuzzy]

If medical science have not found any thing then it is possible because humans are buried and the bones are decomposed within 2-3 centuries and how old is medical science?

You'll need to set limits on what you consider to be "medical science." Detailed records of human anatomy, for example, have been around for at LEAST 500 years (Da Vinci). How long has "folk medicine" been practiced? The Egyptians back during the time of the Pharoahs had an understanding of anatomy and medical science, as evidenced by their burial rites.

History, architecture, and anthropology can demonstrate people were smaller in the past, and trending towards getting larger. The Bandelero cave dwellings in the American Southwest indicate an average height of 5'4" or so. Blarney Castle in Ireland is scaled smaller than modern buildings. There's a pub in England an uncle of mine went to that was remarkable in that the building is close to 800 years old. He stands about 5'7", and had to duck the rafters, which are about 5'5", because people topped out at 5' when the place was built.

So, either God set Adam at 60 feet tall, and engineered us smaller, or it's hyperbole for the sake of emphasizing majesty.


And as far as "Adam was 90 feet tall and really skinny"
http://landau1.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109/lectures/scaling.html

That's a handy page describing what happens when something increases in size. When you double all the dimensions of something, the volume, and therefore the weight, increases by a factor of 8. Say the bones in Adam's
legs, the femurs, total out to about 6 inches in cross section, versus 150 pounds of skinny Adam. Let's say his bones could actually support double that, so we could have a ratio of 50 pounds weight per inch of cross section.
Now, let's increase skinny Adam by a factor of fifteen, to move him from 6 feet tall up to 90 feet tall. So, the cross section increases to 90 inches.
90 inches of cross section would support 4,500 pounds. BUT, we know that doubling the area means increasing volume, and weight, but a factor of 8, the cube of 2. So, Adam's weight increases by the cube of 15. So....150 pounds of Skinny Adam, times 15, times 15, times 15. 506,250 pounds. That's a hundred times more than his bones could support at 90 feet tall.

Let's increase his 6 foot bones to have a load capacity of four times his body weight. So, 100 pounds/inch of cross section. 90 foot tall Adam's skeleton still can't support his 90 foot weight.

Let's do the math again, with the base Adam being 6 feet tall, 6 inches of cross section to his femurs, 100 pounds weight, and his femurs can support 6 times his body weight. 100 pounds of support to the inch of cross section.

Increase him to 90 feet. His support cross section goes up to 90 inches, and can support 9,000 pounds. And his weight? 15 times 15 times 15, times 100...337,500 pounds. Almost 40 times more than his skeleton can support.



(EDIT STARTS HERE)

So, the above URL includes the statement that the femurs can withstand 10 times body weight before breaking.

So....
100 lbs Adam, 6 feet tall, 6 inches cross section to the femurs, 10 x body weight support. 167 lbs/inch of cross section.

Increase him to 90 feet tall, a factor of 15....

90 inches cross section, 167 lbs/inch....about 15030 lbs supportable. But we know his weight increases to 337,500 lbs. Over 22 times what his skeleton can support. And that's a gaunt, 100 lb Adam.

 

[Green Man]

You'll need to set limits on what you consider to be "medical science." Detailed records of human anatomy, for example, have been around for at LEAST 500 years (Da Vinci). How long has "folk medicine" been practiced? The Egyptians back during the time of the Pharoahs had an understanding of anatomy and medical science, as evidenced by their burial rites.

History, architecture, and anthropology can demonstrate people were smaller in the past, and trending towards getting larger. The Bandelero cave dwellings in the American Southwest indicate an average height of 5'4" or so. Blarney Castle in Ireland is scaled smaller than modern buildings. There's a pub in England an uncle of mine went to that was remarkable in that the building is close to 800 years old. He stands about 5'7", and had to duck the rafters, which are about 5'5", because people topped out at 5' when the place was built.

So, either God set Adam at 60 feet tall, and engineered us smaller, or it's hyperbole for the sake of emphasizing majesty.


And as far as "Adam was 90 feet tall and really skinny"
http://landau1.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109/lectures/scaling.html

That's a handy page describing what happens when something increases in size. When you double all the dimensions of something, the volume, and therefore the weight, increases by a factor of 8. Say the bones in Adam's
legs, the femurs, total out to about 6 inches in cross section, versus 150 pounds of skinny Adam. Let's say his bones could actually support double that, so we could have a ratio of 50 pounds weight per inch of cross section.
Now, let's increase skinny Adam by a factor of fifteen, to move him from 6 feet tall up to 90 feet tall. So, the cross section increases to 90 inches.
90 inches of cross section would support 4,500 pounds. BUT, we know that doubling the area means increasing volume, and weight, but a factor of 8, the cube of 2. So, Adam's weight increases by the cube of 15. So....150 pounds of Skinny Adam, times 15, times 15, times 15. 506,250 pounds. That's a hundred times more than his bones could support at 90 feet tall.

Let's increase his 6 foot bones to have a load capacity of four times his body weight. So, 100 pounds/inch of cross section. 90 foot tall Adam's skeleton still can't support his 90 foot weight.

Let's do the math again, with the base Adam being 6 feet tall, 6 inches of cross section to his femurs, 100 pounds weight, and his femurs can support 6 times his body weight. 100 pounds of support to the inch of cross section.

Increase him to 90 feet. His support cross section goes up to 90 inches, and can support 9,000 pounds. And his weight? 15 times 15 times 15, times 100...337,500 pounds. Almost 40 times more than his skeleton can support.

WOW!

 

[Fuzzy]

WOW!

A 90 foot tall "Adam" is POSSIBLE, but the being would be so different in either features or skeletal density that they really wouldn't be considered "human."
Dinosaurs, for example.

Now, interestingly enough, there's a theory that many Greek legends of "larger than life" heroes and monsters were based on fossilzed skeletons that had been exposed by erosion. The cyclops, for example, could have been inspired by a mammoth or elephant skull, due to the large hole in the center of the skull for the nasal cavity.

 

[Buccaneer]

The whole of mankind sprang forth from TWO people. Proof:

A cherry tree does not beget an apple, neither does a frog beget a lion.

The key word is SPIECES. Therefore, any Theologist or dreamer or wonderer who disagrees is utterly confused and has reverted to the medieval theory of spontaneous generation. So it is not really debated that an "Adam and Eve" ever existed in the "john and john Doe" sense.

The Biblical Adam and Eve therefor, could certainly qualify and I have no reason to not believe in their being and every biblical acount of them. They were as living and breathing as you or I.

 

[urnotme]

Hi all!

Oh, I almost forgot. Our view is that Adam & Eve had lots of kids; see Genesis 5:4.

Urnotme, you asked:



OK...

Traditional, normative Judaism is orthodox (orthodoxy being a far broader spectrum than many non-Jews, and many non-orthodox Jews, seem to realize; see http://www.jewfaq.org/movement.htm#US for a good summary on orthodoxy & the other, so-called, "movements" within Judaism). The Reform & Conservative "movements" are newfangled movements that developed in Europe (in Protestant northern Germany), in reaction to the Enlightenment. They have either modified or junked so many core Jewish beliefs and, in effect, make it up as they go along, influenced by whatever happens to be trendy at the moment & taking care to be "politically correct". This is Judaism??!! I grew up, as I like to say, de jure Conservative but de facto nothing. I looked at what the Conservative & Reform movements had to offer & was thoroughly underwhelmed & unimpressed. Orthodox Judaism is all-encompassing, requires a deep emotional commitment & provides much spiritual food (kosher, of course ) for the soul. Orthodox Judaism believes that the Torah comes from God; the Reform movement does not. The Conservative movement tries to straddle a middle ground that does not exist. If one does not believe that the Torah is from God, then what's the point? Judaism is not, and never has been, an everyone-for-him/herself religion. Orthodoxy recognizes that there is a certain set of core beliefs that are immutable & which serve to bind all Jews everywhere, much as they have for thousands of years. Take Shabbat (i.e. the Sabbath, see http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm), most of the observance of which the Reform movement has junked altogether (I guess they ignore Isaiah 56:1-2 and 56:6-7) & which the Conservative movement has made "optional." An early Zionist writer wrote, about this binding set of core beliefs & norms which I've just mentioned, "More than the Jews have kept Shabbat, Shabbat has kept the Jews." When this communal/social glue is thrown aside, communal/social chaos is the result. Rather than mold the faith to fit the individual, we believe that it is the individual who must mold him/herself to fit the faith. The late former Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth, Lord Immanuel Jakobovitz (of blessed memory), once said that a faith which demands nothing is worth nothing. To be an orthodox Jew demands a great deal.

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv

That great I put those sites in my favorites. I like your username it reminds me of the voice of the Lord.
1 kings 19: 11And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
12And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
The Lord wasn't in the wind or the earthquake or the fire. The Lord talks to us in a still small voice. and I think about that when I see your username.

 

[urnotme]

I believe Adam may have been larger than man is today, but oh boy, that's a BIIIG man farside! 60 cubits tall? Noooooo .... I can't quite accept that.

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Hadith/Exegesis/60-cubits.htm

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Were Men Really 60 Cubits Tall?[/font]

Shibli Zaman & Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Christian missionaries have recently turned their attention to a hadîth which states that the height of Adam[/font](P)[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] was 60 cubits (= 90 feet) tall and have charged this hadîth as a "scientific error". The hadîth in question is from Sahîh al-Bukhârî and is recorded as follows:[/font]

[font=Courier New, Courier, mono]Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.[/font][1]

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now regarding the above hadîth, the matter is very simple even for people with diminutive mental competency. The pertinent parts of this hadîth are:[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"khalaq-Allâhû Aadam wa-tûluhû sittûna thirâ`(an)..."[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Allâh created Adam and his height was 60 cubits...)[/font]

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is talking about the height of Adam[/font](P)[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] and all humans in Paradise and not in this world. This can be immediately adduced from the following portion of the hadîth:[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"...fa kullu ma[n]-yadkhul al-jannatî `alâ sûratî Aadama fa-lam yazal al-khalqû yanqusû hatta-l Aan."[/font][2][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](So everyone who enters Paradise (will be) upon the likeness of Adam, for they have not ceased from being decreased in stature even until now)[/font]

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When Adam[/font](P)[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] descended from Paradise to the world, he was given a worldly decrease in stature, of which mankind is still upon to this day. Thus, this hadîth is clearly stating that when humans enter Paradise again, they will return to that heavenly tall stature.[/font]

 

[Oxy2Hydr0]

All I can do it this . I am very impressed.

At least someone knows how to read and understand it in the Islamic perspective rather than in the Christian perspective whom believe the Garden of Eden ~ "adnu al-jannah" was here on earth while in Islam "adnu al-jannah" was not here on earth nor was father Adam created here on Earth also.

Anyhow, again, I am impressed

Dimitri

 

[farside]

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.


Kind Regards,
Farside

 

[urnotme]

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.


Kind Regards,
Farside

This apolologist says he was given an earthky got smaller . "When Adam(P)[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] descended from Paradise to the world, he was given a worldly decrease in stature", of which mankind is still upon to this day. Thus, this hadîth is clearly stating that when humans enter Paradise again, they will return to that heavenly tall stature.[/font]

 

[Bookofknowledge]

You'll need to set limits on what you consider to be "medical science." Detailed records of human anatomy, for example, have been around for at LEAST 500 years (Da Vinci). How long has "folk medicine" been practiced? The Egyptians back during the time of the Pharoahs had an understanding of anatomy and medical science, as evidenced by their burial rites.

History, architecture, and anthropology can demonstrate people were smaller in the past, and trending towards getting larger. The Bandelero cave dwellings in the American Southwest indicate an average height of 5'4" or so. Blarney Castle in Ireland is scaled smaller than modern buildings. There's a pub in England an uncle of mine went to that was remarkable in that the building is close to 800 years old. He stands about 5'7", and had to duck the rafters, which are about 5'5", because people topped out at 5' when the place was built.

So, either God set Adam at 60 feet tall, and engineered us smaller, or it's hyperbole for the sake of emphasizing majesty.


And as far as "Adam was 90 feet tall and really skinny"
http://landau1.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109/lectures/scaling.html

That's a handy page describing what happens when something increases in size. When you double all the dimensions of something, the volume, and therefore the weight, increases by a factor of 8. Say the bones in Adam's
legs, the femurs, total out to about 6 inches in cross section, versus 150 pounds of skinny Adam. Let's say his bones could actually support double that, so we could have a ratio of 50 pounds weight per inch of cross section.
Now, let's increase skinny Adam by a factor of fifteen, to move him from 6 feet tall up to 90 feet tall. So, the cross section increases to 90 inches.
90 inches of cross section would support 4,500 pounds. BUT, we know that doubling the area means increasing volume, and weight, but a factor of 8, the cube of 2. So, Adam's weight increases by the cube of 15. So....150 pounds of Skinny Adam, times 15, times 15, times 15. 506,250 pounds. That's a hundred times more than his bones could support at 90 feet tall.

Let's increase his 6 foot bones to have a load capacity of four times his body weight. So, 100 pounds/inch of cross section. 90 foot tall Adam's skeleton still can't support his 90 foot weight.

Let's do the math again, with the base Adam being 6 feet tall, 6 inches of cross section to his femurs, 100 pounds weight, and his femurs can support 6 times his body weight. 100 pounds of support to the inch of cross section.

Increase him to 90 feet. His support cross section goes up to 90 inches, and can support 9,000 pounds. And his weight? 15 times 15 times 15, times 100...337,500 pounds. Almost 40 times more than his skeleton can support.

(EDIT STARTS HERE)

So, the above URL includes the statement that the femurs can withstand 10 times body weight before breaking.

So....
100 lbs Adam, 6 feet tall, 6 inches cross section to the femurs, 10 x body weight support. 167 lbs/inch of cross section.

Increase him to 90 feet tall, a factor of 15....

90 inches cross section, 167 lbs/inch....about 15030 lbs supportable. But we know his weight increases to 337,500 lbs. Over 22 times what his skeleton can support. And that's a gaunt, 100 lb Adam.

Thanks for sharing the information, it's very indepth and informative. My intent here is not to deny the information what you are posting but to question mankind with regards to the part of creation.

I expected you guys will give me something about pharoah but tell me the time period of pharoah came into existance after Adam?

What is the reason that 800 years ago the average height was 5 ft and now it is different - what triggered this change?

You are giving calculated values of height and weight to a person who believe in the Creator who created heaven earth and everything that exist in-between. Now tell can there be a person who looks fat but doesn't weigh much based on his height?

 

[Yowsaf21]

Genesis Chapter 3 Nakhash / Devil Deceives Hawwah / Nekaybaw / Eve..

At This Piont I Must Make It Clear That The Name Naakhash < Aramic / Hebrew Being Used For Serpent Simply Means A Whisperer . The Word Serpent Is A Deritvative Of Seraph < Aramic Meaning Burning Fire ' Seraphim < Aramic Meaning ' Fiery Serpent ' . , A Symbol Of Protection To The House Of The Most High Those That Were There To Serve Yahweh As Used By Moses In Number 21 ; 9 , Where You'll Find The Word Serpent The Children Of Israel In Their Travel Through The Wilderness Out Of Egypt , Where It Is Called A Goddess Radjet , A Symbol Also Boen By The Egyptian Deities Amun Ra And Har ( Horus ) And Has Been Adopted As The Caudesus , Used As A Symbol Of Health , And Called The Kundalint , The Sleeping Serpent



Genesis 3 ; 1 .. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ;...
The Christian Claim The Eve Ate Of The Apple Of The Tree In The Enclosed Garden .However If You LQQk At The Quote Genesis 3 ; 2 , It Says .... We May Eat Of The Feree <> Fruit Of The Ates <> Trees Of The Garden '' And The Aramic ./ Hebrew Word Used For Fruit <> Feree Meaning '' Fruit Offspring . Poduce Of The Fround This Is Not The Same As The Word Used In .. Song Of Solomon 2 ; 3 Where It Says '' As The Taffooakh <> Apple Tree Among The Trees Of The Wood '' And The Word Used Here Is Taffooakh < Aramic / Hebrew Apple Tree In ... Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic It Is Tufaha ... This Word Is Not Used AnyWhere In The Torah . When It Mentions The Feree <> Fruit '' Of The Tree . In Genesis Chapter 3


;... It Has Nothing To Do With An Apple . Yet , The Fruit Of This Garden Was Called An Apple For The Well Known Rimmown < Aramic / Hebrew Pomegranate Apple Worn On The Kohane Priest Robe In Exodus 28 ; 30 - 34 And Exodus 39 ; 26 . This Symbolic Apple At The End Of The Meheel < Aramiv / Hebrew Meaning Robe Was A Poppy Seed Also Called Qat .. The Pomergranate Resembles The Poppy Seed AndIs An Intoxicant Producing A Flower That Is Yellow , Rose Pink , Scarlet , Red , Orange Or White , That Is Pleasant To The Eye As Well . The Poppy Seed Is Also Used As Food . It Is Used As Flavoring And Yields A Oil To Make It Good . AndThen The Poppy Seed Is Transformed Into Opium , That Eludes On Into Thinking They Are Wise ,


Genesis 3 ; 6 ... This Is How The Name Apple Got Confused With The Pomegranate Apple Of That Day Which Is A Replica In Appearance To The Poppy Plant .
Genesis 3 ; 2 - 6 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. ;.....



Partaking Of The Tree Of Lust
In Genesis 2 ; 7 , Qadmon , Called Also Adam Or Zakar , AndNekaybaw , Called Also Hawwah Or Eve , Abyin <> Eyes ' Because Fawkakh <> Open , And They Became Aware . Their Private Parts Were There , But Nudity Was Not LQQked At As Sham , Except In The Land Of Nud , Which Is Nod In Aramic / Hebrew. The Moment They Got Intoxicated , They Both Inherited Stimulation ; That's Why They Say , And They Knew That They Were Without Clothes '' Zakar Had Got An Erection , And Nekaybaw's Mammilla Teat , That Is The Nipples Of Her Areoli Mammaries Eracted , Thus They Began Lusting After Each Other .


The Scientist Wanted To Raise Zakar And Nekaybaw To A Certain Age And Prepare Them Before They Would Have Chrildren . So There Wouldn't Be No Imbalancement Or Defect . Not That They Took Of The Intoxicationg Fruit Of The Tree , Their Eyes Became Open . Now , Notice What Is Says , Their Eyes Became Open And They Knew That They Were Awrome <> Naked ' It Didn't Say '' There Eyes Became Open , And Right Away They Knew , About Agreeable And Disagreeable . The Drug Stimulated Them And They Became Sexually Attracted To Each Other So What They Did Was After They Inulged In Sex . They Sewed Fig Leave Together , And Covered Their Private Part .


They Made A Apron , So Of Course , Lust Shifted From The Actual To The Suspense ; Meaning No Longer Was Nekaybaw / Eve Stimualtion By Merely LQQking At His Penis . She Was Now Stimulation By The Thought , And NoLonger Was Zakar / Adam Stimulation By LQQking At Nekaybaw / Eve Vagina And Breast , But Now He Was Now Stimulated By Thev Thought . Interest Shifted From The Physical Act Of People Walking Around Naked To The Hidden . So It Changed To Lust . Which Is Rooted From The Word Luster '' To Be Attracted



Genesis 3 ; 7 - 13 .. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. 8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.


13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat .
The Punishment

 

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Genesis 3 ; 14 ...And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Make Note Of The Hebrew Word Zekrah < Aramic / Hebrew For '' Seed '' Genesis 3 ; 15 .. Being Used For Both Eve's Descendants And The Serpent's ( Nakhash ) Descendants , It Is Clear At This Point According To The Scriptures That This Serpent Of Genesis Chapter Three . Has Descendants Meaning A Genealogy .



A Family , And Wife , And Chrildren . This Is Not A Snake , But The Word Being Used For Serpent Is Nakhash Meaning '' Whisperer '' A Talking Being With A Larynx And A Voice Box Who Spoke To Eve In The Garden . One Who Lived Before Her And Obviously Learned How To Speak From Someone Or Somebody . And Spoke A Specific LanguageThat She Overstood ;...
Genesis 3 ; 15 - 17 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life


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The Reading Of The Akasha Records Beneath The Asa , Ates <> Tree Is Symbolic Of The Tree Alphabets , Also Called The Tree Of Toth , Which Reveals The Mysteries . It Was Recorded In A Form Of Cunesform Called Ates < Aramic / Hebrew And Asa In Ashric Syriac / Arabic . Meaning An Upright Stick , Staff . Cane , Because The Script Was Based On Vertical And Horizontal Wedges As The Branches Of A Tree . The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil Is Symbolic Of The Receiving Of WILL . The Decission Making Process That Leads One To Be Agreeable Or To Make The Decision To Disagreeable .


This Is What Was Contained In The Akasha Records That Was Not For The Eyes Of Adam , Yet He Did Read It And His Eyes Were Opened Transforming From Immortal As A Being Without Destiny To A Being Destined .
Genesis 3 ; 18 - 21 ;... of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.



The Knowledge Of Agreeable
From Disagreeable
A Yahuwa Of The Eloheem Said ( Talking To The Cherubeems ) Now Adam Has Become As Ekhawd <> Aramic / Hebrew One Of Naw <> Us A Disagreeable Being For He Was Already Created Agreeable . So This Could Only Mean He Became Something New Which Would Be Like The Disagreeable Cherubeems , His Abyim <> Eyes Are Fawkakh <> Open ... Where It Says One Of Us It's Impling As One Of The Cherubeems , Those Guarding The East End Of The Enclosed Garden As In Genesis 3 ; 24 . He Now Yawdah Know's , Meaning He Has Will Power Now , He Has It In His Nature The Naw Being Used In The Hebrew For Us Also Implise That There Were More Than One Yahuwa Involved In This Situation .


This Is The 24 Yahwehs Or Elders Which Were In The Garden Of Eden 12 Agreeable ( Serapheems And 12 Disagreeable / Cherubeems ) Called Luciferians . ( So Adam Now Yawdah ' Knows ' Pleasure From Pain Sober From Intoxication , Right From Wrong And Disagreeable From Agreeable ;...He's Been Confronted With Deception , Because He's Been Deceived . He Tried To Lie And Pervent Thoughts . He Is Just Like Ekhawd <> One ' Of Naw <> Us , ( Those Disagreeable Ones , And Us Agreeable Ones . In The State That Adam Is In He's Not Entitled To What He Was Created To Get ; His Divinity As A Etherian Again Which Would Be Eternal Life . He Must Pass Through Stages , And This Stage That You're Passing Through Is A 6,000 Years From Adam's Expulsion Without His Barathary Gland And His Four Higher Senses Of Divinity Namely ;....


1 . Intuition , 2 , Clairvoyance, 3 , Phychometry . 4 . Telepatlhy . And From The Enclosed Garden Of Delight Until The End Of This Era , He Shall Be Under The Spell Of Kingu And The Rule Of Leviathan , Called Ha Satan . The Devil Had 6,000 Years To Reign You Had A Grace Period From Adam Down To The Curse Of Canaan Where The Albino Seed Was Born , Right Up Until The 6,000 Year Period ,
Genesis 3 ; 22 - 23 skins, and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.


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The Eloheem Had To Force Zakar / Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve To Leave The Enclosed Garden Of Delight . They Never Mention That In The Bible . The Aramic / Hebrew Would Used In Genesis 3 ;24 Is Gawrash Meaning '' Evicted To Drive Out . They Did Not Want To Leave So They Drove Them Out '' That's Why In Genesis 3 ;24 The Put Cherubeens . The Second Order Od Angelic Hierarchy . As The Two Cherubeems Also Called Kerubim That Protected The Mercy Exodus 25 ; 18 - 20 Or Cover Of The Ark The Holy Of Holies . Their Symbol Was Of The Kareb Meaning ' Near Ones ' Or The Kerubi Of The Assyrians , Karah . Bull Headed With Extended Wings , In Egypt , In Front Of A Naos As Protectors . Faces Of Men . Bodies Of Bull With Extended Wings , Disagreeable AgelicBeings , The Wicked Ones .

And it Is Necessary To Put Wicked Being To Guard The East End Of The Gate , Because Adam Was Going To Try To Get Back Into The Garden . So They Had To Protect It . The Order Of Cherubeems [ Men Warriors ] That Did Not Like Adam . But Knew Him Were Stationed At The East End Of The Garden . Why The East Because The Eastern Side Of The Garden Of Delight . Was Facing Nod , The Persian Gulf Area From Which Nakhaas Entered . The Western Side Of The Enclosed Garden Was Pointing Towards The Nile . They Were Worrieed About The People At The Tigeris And Euphrates , That's Where Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve Were Put Out They Ended Up Migrating Towards Sawded < Aramic / Hebrew

Meaning The Outer Field Called Sudan , Nubia , Nubian , The First Cuwsh <> Kish , Genesis 2 ; 13 , Where You See Ethiopia , In Hebrew You Find Kush Long Before The Cush Of Genesis 10; 6 Was Born . < Adam Wanted To Get To The Tree Of Khayyim = Divine Life ' People Have Been Seeking That Tree , And They Call It The Fountian Of Youth . And Have Been Trying To Find Ways To Preserve Life . In Actuality It Is Symbolic Of Herbivorism .
Genesis 3 ; 24 ... So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.