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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

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    Maybe you have never cosidered that every human on the planet will not be at the battle of Armagedon.

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  2. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;


    Not will happen again when Jesus returns.

    But did happen when the Church was born.

    Allegorically.
     
  3. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    bet you think Jesus did not rise from the grave ,, :)
     
  4. seventysevens

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    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    that is what he referred to !
     
  5. jgr

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    He certainly did ("this is that").

    What is "this"?
    The birth of the Church.

    What is "that"?
    Joel's prophecy.

    And it was fulfilled.

    Allegorically. (Unless you can provide historical astronomical records of the moon literally turning into blood).
     
  6. DavidPT

    DavidPT Premil, the correct position of course

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    I tend to think you both might be wrong in this case.

    Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
    13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

    Zechariah 6:15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.


    Don't know why this might not be meaning the following instead? Just because I'm Premil that doesn't mean I take all of these OT Scriptures in the literal sense everytime.

    Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
     
  7. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    to you everything is allegorical unless it suits your purpose , as I said before all the prophecies that HAVE come to pass in the last 100 years is something you are terrified to recognize as that will prove your theories wrong and shudder the thought that you would have to admit your wrong , more likely Jesus return today than you doing that
     
  8. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There's plenty of literal prophecy to go with the allegorical.

    I seek the Spirit's guidance continually to help discern which is which.
     
  9. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Seems you are having plenty of problem's discerning and what you call allegorical is just your unwillingness to see a truth , who knows why you won't but you show a very strong unwillingness to see anything beyond your preferred outcome
     
  10. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Tell the Spirit.
     
  11. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Newbie

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    Pray for guidance to see the "Great Tribulation" in Matthew 24:21 is directly related to the Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:29 "Immediately After The Tribulation of Those Days" is directly related the second coming in Matthew 24:30 "They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

    No symbolic allegory there, My Holy Spirit In Me says these are both "Future Events"

    As you believe the great tribulation in verse 24 was fulfilled in 70AD false.
     
  12. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Overwhelmingly fulfilled according to Christ's predictions and their historical verifications.
     
  13. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Overwhelmingly misunderstood by jgr :)
     
  14. Truth7t7

    Truth7t7 Newbie

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    I agree 100%, and you wont see me agree with you much :)
     
  15. seventysevens

    seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Yep agreed you won't see me agree with you much either :)
     
  16. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You still haven't commented on the historical evidence I provided.

    You still haven't told us who all the "you's" and "ye's" are.
     
  17. Truth7t7

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    jgr Matthew 24:21, Matthew 24:29-31 are tied together by the time stamp, there is no separating this fact of scripture.
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    "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

    Tied Together, Inseparable.

    "They shall see the Son Of Man Coming"

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    "The Great Tribulation" seen in Matthew 24:21 and the "Second Advent" and "Resurrection" seen in Matthew 24:29-31 are "Future Events" that have not been fulfilled.

    We will disagree :)
     
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  18. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You still haven't responded to post 336.
     
  19. Truth7t7

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    Love Ya jgr, I have no interest on entering your preterist spiders web of 70AD fulfillment. I been at this 40 years, im well aware of your teaching and arguments on 70AD fulfillment, that are 100% error in my opinion.

    Sorta like arguing with a dispy that no pre-trib rapture is in the scripture.

    We hold alot in common, but not 70AD fulfillment, ill leave that to you and Luis De Alcasar, The Romann Catholic Jesuit Priest, The father of Preterism.
     
  20. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Guess there's kind of a duality, with yourself and the Jesuit futurist Francisco Ribera providing the balance.

    Futurism fantasizes. History realizes.

    Love you too, Truth7t7.
     
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