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Featured LDS Matthew 22 & Eternal Marriage

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Solomon Smith, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. dzheremi

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    That's entirely understandable. I just wouldn't expect any answers from Mormons here with how it is phrased now, unless it's to complain about how you're a big meanie or "that's not official doctrine" or any of the many, many other 'hits' (dodges) we frequently have recited at us whenever we post something Mormons don't like.
     
  2. Solomon Smith

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    I don’t see why I would receive zero responses here. I think it’s a good question and Mormons should defend their faith.
     
  3. Solomon Smith

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    The thread is featured so you’d think that some Mormons would answer here.
     
  4. NW82

    NW82 Quote scripture or your argument is invalid.

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    Wow, calm down. Typing on my phone auto corrected to John, so be careful in your tone. Secondly I'm very aware that there many non-biblical teachings by the LDS, I'm a non-denominational protestant, and all I was saying is that I'm not versed enough in the specifics to point them out; and to be fair neither have you.

    The tone you are putting out doesn't exactly seem to draw out much discussion. You seem bent on attacking, not debating, so I'm not really surprised you aren't getting replies. Maybe start with what you KNOW and ask questions/refute those teachings from a biblical perspective and then engage in a dialogue. For example, you provide the biblical reference that we will not be married nor given in marriage, I agree. But you state LDS insists on saying this isn't true...where is your reference for this, what book (chapter and verse) do they use for this, what is your source material for your statement? Engage with others, do not attack.
     
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  5. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    I've been here almost sixteen years. Very few, if any, Mormons come here to answer questions. But I've been addressing these topics for years.

    Matthew 22
    23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, 24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

    I'm not sure why these Sadducees were asking this question, unless they wanted to waste time. Anyway, the Mormons tell members that all temple marriages must be performed on earth. This woman had no temple marriage so all her marriages ended at death.

    Mormons perform proxy work for the dead and that includes temple marriages/sealings for time and eternity. Whether or not that sealing will take effect depends on whether or not the deceased persons accept Mormonism in the spirit prison after death. They also teach that a lot of ordinances will be performed during the millennium.

    You may notice that I repeat a lot of information and diagrams in my posts because new members come with similar questions to ones I've answered before. This will probably be my last post tonight.

    Mormon Plan_of_Salvation Illustration.jpg
     
  6. Phoebe Ann

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    Not likely.
     
  7. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Don't criticize other Christians who post here. You don't know enough about Mormonism and Mormons to do that.
     
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  8. Phoebe Ann

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    I hope I was able to help a little.
     
  9. NW82

    NW82 Quote scripture or your argument is invalid.

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    Exactly where did I criticize anyone, except for the fact that I was griped for an auto correct? I merely pointed out the FACTS that the OP DID NOT provide a basis for an accusation he made. And I believe I already pointed out I don't know specifics about Mormonism. So thanks for not reading that part of what I already said.
     
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  11. PaulCyp1

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    Not only does the Bible state when a marriage ends, so do the marriage vows.
     
  12. Solomon Smith

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    I am a former LDS member and I am well aware of the unorthodox teachings of the LDS but no I haven’t pointed them all out because that is not the purpose of this thread. This thread’s purpose is to discuss only the LDS doctrine of eternal marriage. I am happy to point out the many other unorthodox LDS teachings in other threads.

    Secondly this is a debate and I set forth the scripture for the purpose of debate. I see no real purpose in siting LDS resources as their doctrine of Eternal Marriage is one of their core doctrines and is found in all of their churches materials. For instance their Gospel Principles contains an entire chapter on eternal marriage. So I really see no purpose in siting sources when it’s common knowledge that eternal marriage is a core doctrine.
     
  13. Solomon Smith

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    Well I find it disturbing that I’m receiving no answer here. I take it that the LDS have no answer to my question.
     
  14. Phoebe Ann

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    Mormons disregard Matthew 22, don't say the traditional wedding vows, and the Protestant weddings that I've attended didn't use the traditional wedding vows.
     
  15. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Solomon, LDS rarely answer our questions. They generally don't come here to defend their faith.

    Robert L. Millet speaking to the Mission Prep Club:

    "We aren't obligated to answer everybody's questions."
    "You already know more about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than anybody who will attack you."
    "Answer the question they SHOULD have asked."
    "Answer the right question."
    "We never provide meat when milk will do. (He repeats this a couple of times.)"


    Robert L. Millet (born December 30, 1947) is a professor of ancient scripture and emeritus Dean of Religious Education at Brigham Young University (BYU) in Provo, Utah.
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  16. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    If you can't or prefer to not defend your faith, accuse your opponents of wrong doing. :sigh:
     
  17. JimBeta

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    Can someone please explain to me what LDS is? To answer on the topic, we shall not marry in the next world/heaven. It is very simple to understand why we will not marry, I shall give my opinion but I cannot guarantee that it is the truth. One: when we come back into the new world and heaven, we will be brothers and sisters. Brothers and sisters do not marry. They are family. Two: if we marry we work together with our partner to achieve a nice life for the both of us. This is not how things work in the new world/heaven. In the new world/heaven we will work together with all. We will not separate us and from each other by forming pairs. No we will live together and work together on the world God had intended for us. If we marry, we only work on our world. On the world you and your close family live in. This does not work. If we work like this there will be many problems. Their will be war, starvation, poverty and separation. This will not be in the new world/heaven. We will work together on one world, the world everyone lives in instead of the one world we work on now, in which you and your close family lives in.
     
  18. Ironhold

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    1 Corinthians 13:

    1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

    Speaking as someone who's been online for a very long time?

    If you create a thread, let it go. Most places online will consider it the height of rudeness to demand responses in short succession after the thread is created, especially if the thread is created during a period of time in which the majority user base for a forum is likely to be off-line. This alone will create a vicious cycle in which people are less likely to want to respond.
     
  19. Ironhold

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    Now as to the OP itself -

    This is a very, very old and tired allegation, one that has been dispensed with time and time again.

    Mormon Answers: Love, Dating, and Marriage for Mormons (Latter-day Saints)

    The above link will take you to an apologetics website where the matter is discussed. The section is long, but it breaks the argument down into a very simple yet detailed fashion.

    The gist of it is that the passage in Matthew is, by and large, being misapplied in the argument, primarily due to a lack of understanding of LDS theology.

    LDS theology holds that the marriage ordinances must be done on Earth, and so must be done vicariously on behalf of those who are deceased. Once done on Earth, however, if the couple provide their consent then it is in power throughout the eternities. Thus, the reason why people aren't marrying on the other side is that the matter will be taken care of here.

    Lesson 15: Eternal Marriage

    The above is a chapter from a church instructional manual on marriage. This should provide more detail.
     
  20. Ironhold

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    We've been over this before.

    Far too many critics of the church care more about being right than in being correct, and in extreme instances they'll do violence to anyone who contradicts them.

    The more aggressive the critic, the less likely they are to have actually done credible levels of independent research. Basically, they've made up their mind and don't want to be confused by the facts.

    This is why church leaders have had to tell people to be careful when engaging with critics, and to know when to back out if things are going too far.
     
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