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Featured LDS Matthew 22 & Eternal Marriage

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Solomon Smith, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. Solomon Smith

    Solomon Smith Active Member

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    No, if you read the Matthew 22 passage Jesus is answering the question of the Sadducees. They ask, “ Whose wife shall she be”? Jesus replies, “No ones wife for we shall not be married in the resurrection”.
     
  2. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    "He who is not against Me is for Me." I'm sure there are some flaws, including in the doctrine, of the LDS, but half the arguments I see against LDS theories remind me of the same narrow-minded arguments I see against Catholic theories.

    EDIT:
    My take on the passage was that He gave one of His elliptical replies to the question. It also seems to me that the question involves a cultural reference to the Book of Tobit, where a woman is married seven or so times.

    Anyway, it's nice to prooftext eternal marriage apart, I suppose, although I wonder why the relationship between Christ and the Church is said to be like marriage, then? Are we to assume that Christ will not be with the Church for all eternity?
     
  3. Jane_Doe

    Jane_Doe Well-Known Member

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    I will also second this comment. Thank you @Ripheus27
     
  4. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    The plan was for the earth to be populated. If Adam had no wife, he'd be all alone with the animals. Heaven isn't going to be one lonely man. All those who have eternal life will be there; no loneliness.
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2018
  5. JimBeta

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    thx for the information!
     
  6. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    You're very welcome!
     
  7. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    True enough. I would suppose the issue comes down to whether one is a romantic idealist or not. Admittedly, during its plural-marriage phase, the LDS Church wasn't quite a romantic institution. Nevertheless, the Book of Mormon as it now stands* seems to clearly rule out plural marriage and one of the motivators for membership is the notion of "being with the one you love, forever, in a romantic sense."

    *I can imagine objecting to the LDS Church on this ground, that the Book of Mormon has been changed over time, despite being asserted to be the most true book in the world. However, I believe in the Bible as the Word of God, even though the Bible has been transformed far more drastically than the Book of Mormon, and is far less clear, and so on, so I would be a hypocrite to press this point too strongly.
     
  8. Solomon Smith

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    You clearly haven’t read the Doctrine & Covenants. Specifically #132 comes to mind off the top of my head.
     
  9. devin553344

    devin553344 Enlighten our lives dear Lord

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    Have you ever been filled with the Holy Ghost, it's not a sexual experience, so in heaven I don't think people will mate and have children.
     
  10. Ironhold

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    Isaiah 4

    Isaiah 4 opens with a warning that during the Millennium, things will be such that we'll literally have seven women clinging to one man in order to have his name.

    Why do I bring this up?

    Jacob 2

    Jacob 2 defines the theology concerning multiple wives: God reserves the right to allow or even command it if the situation warrants, but the default is 1 - 1 otherwise.
     
  11. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    Well I wasn't talking about the D&C, I was talking about the BoM. Regardless of what the D&C says, the BoM says polygamy is wrong, so I suppose the LDS Church might be inconsistent but why would I be surprised, since every major Christian or quasi-Christian denomination teaches inconsistent things? (Yes they claim to be the "one true church" but I am not interesting in their conceit right now.)

    Well, that may be true enough but polyamory/polygamy isn't romantic, and there are good philosophical reasons for thinking that romantic idealism requires 1 - 1 relationships.
     
  12. Solomon Smith

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    Where? Please quote these passages.
     
  13. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    Certainly. Jacob 2 and specifically

    24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

    25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

    26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

    27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

    28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
     
  14. Solomon Smith

    Solomon Smith Active Member

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    That command was for those particular people and not for the church in general.
     
  15. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    So God randomly thinks some whoredoms are abominable and so on, but others aren't? Look, I'm not arguing that the LDS teaching on this subject is consistent. As far as I can tell, it's not consistent, and the Book of Mormon was effectively redacted (contrary to the claim that it is the truest book of all) or whatever, but regardless, as things now stand, the LDS Church does not advocate plural marriage.
     
  16. Ironhold

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    I actually brought that passage up in another thread.

    Read a few more verses and God stipulates a caveat: he'll allow it if he feels it necessary, but until then the default is 1 - 1.
     
  17. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    So it is 1 - 1 until Joseph has a hottie 16 year old house keeper, named Fanny, and a nearby hayloft.

    William E. McLellin, M.D.,
    -- Letter to President Joseph Smith [III] Independence, Mo., July 1872.

     
  18. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    IDK, does that mean that it is hypothetically possible for God to sanction gay relationships or pedophilia or bestiality or whatever? I don't mean that flippantly, but a whoredom is a whoredom and an abomination is an abomination, so...
     
  19. Ironhold

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    You might want to go wash that bloody shirt now. It's no longer working.

    Homosexuality and beastiality are confirmed no-nos, so that's not going to happen.
     
  20. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Non answer.

    So why was adding teenage Fanny necessary?
     
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