Matthew 1:1

[Timothew]

οπως μη φανης τοις ανοις νηστευων αλλα τω πρι σου τω εν τω κρυφαιω και ο πηρ βλεπων ε τω κρυφεω αποδωσ σοι

that you appear not to fast to people, but to your Father in secret; and the Father perceiving in secret will give back to you.

Thanks for this post, I like your translation, "Appear not to fast" is good. I was unsure whether to put appear or reveal for phanes, and secret or hidden for krupto. I went with hidden and revealed for the contrast between them.

Tim

 

[Timothew]

http://www.scripture4all.org/

No be ye hoarding to ye treasures upon the land, where moth and corrosion cause to cause to disappear and where thieves are burrowing and stealing

Young) Matthew 6:19 `Treasure not up to yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust disfigure, and where thieves break through and steal,

Rotherham) Matthew 6:19 Be not laying up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where, moth and rust, do tarnish, and where, thieves, dig through and steal;

Textus Rec.) Matthew 6:19 mh qhsaurizete umin qhsaurouV epi thV ghV opou shV kai brwsiV afanizei kai opou kleptai diorussousin kai kleptousin

Thanks LLOJ!
This verse is difficult, how is brwsiV translated rust?

 

[Magentic]

tary not in winter, for the water rusts..who knows what lloj ever means

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 6:19

μη θησαυριζετε υμιν θησαυρους επι της γης
οπου σης και βρωσις αφανιζει
και οπου κλεπται διορυσσουσιν και κλεπτουσιν

Don't store your treasures on the earth
where moths and food make-unseen
and where theives dig-through and they-steal

Don't store your treasures on the earth
where moths also are eating until it's gone
and where theives break in and steal,

βρῶσις
eating, food, meat.
From the base of bibrosko; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively) -- eating, food, meat.
(Strong's Greek Concordance)

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 6:20

θησαυριζετε δε υμιν θησαυρους εν ουρανω
οπου ουτε σης ουτε βρωσις αφανιζει
και οπου κλεπται ου διορυσσουσιν ουδε κλεπτουσιν

store but your treasures in heaven
where neither moth nor rust destroys
and where theives not they-dig-through nor steal

But store your treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys
and where theives do not break in and steal,

 

[Timothew]

James 5:2

ὁ πλοῦτος ὑμῶν σέσηπεν
καὶ τὰ ἱμάτια ὑμῶν σητόβρωτα γέγονεν,

The riches your are-rotted
and the clothing your moth-eaten has-become

You riches are putrid
and your clothing has become moth eaten.

σητόβρωτος
motheaten.
From ses and a derivative of bibrosko; moth-eaten
(Stong's Greek Dictionary)

 

[he-man]

Matthew 6:20

θησαυριζετε δε υμιν θησαυρους εν ουρανω
οπου ουτε σης ουτε βρωσις αφανιζει
και οπου κλεπται ου διορυσσουσιν ουδε κλεπτουσιν

store but your treasures in heaven
where neither moth nor rust destroys
and where theives not they-dig-through nor steal

But store your treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys
and where thieves do not break in and steal,

Thank you Timothy!

θησαυριζετε δε υμιν θησαυρους εν ουρανω
οπου ουτε σης ουτε βρωσις αφανιζει
και οπου κλεπται ου διορυσσουσιν ουδε κλεπτουσιν

But highly value your treasure in heaven
where neither moth nor rust ruins
and where housebreakers do not break into and pilfer

 

[Timothew]

Thank you Timothy!

θησαυριζετε δε υμιν θησαυρους εν ουρανω
οπου ουτε σης ουτε βρωσις αφανιζει
και οπου κλεπται ου διορυσσουσιν ουδε κλεπτουσιν

But highly value your treasure in heaven
where neither moth nor rust ruins
and where housebreakers do not break into and pilfer

Thank you He-Man!

Can you explain brosis translated as rust? I see that in every translation. Perhaps because metal is "eaten" by rust, but that seems tenuous to me. Do you know of other sources that use brosis like this?

Tim

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What if we put the english words right beside the greek words?
That way you can also view the strong's #

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NT) Matthew 6:21 opou <3699> {where} gar <1063> {for} estin <2076> (5748) [is] o <3588> {the} qhsauroV <2344> {treasure} umwn <5216> {of ye} ekei <1563> {there} estai <2071> (5704) {shall be} kai <2532> {also} h <3588> {the} kardia <2588> {heart} umwn <5216> {of ye}

 

[he-man]

Thank you He-Man!

Can you explain brosis translated as rust? I see that in every translation. Perhaps because metal is "eaten" by rust, but that seems tenuous to me. Do you know of other sources that use brosis like this?
Tim

You have well said Eaten because rust does slowly, like a thief, gradually eats away and corrodes the metal.
&#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; noun: nominative singular feminine John 6:55; Romans 14:17
&#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; John 4:32 6:27; Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 2Corinthians 9:10
&#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#953; Colossians 2:16
&#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962; 1Corinthians 8:4; Hebrews 12:16

As you can see &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; is close to &#946;&#961;&#969;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#945; meat, so it means eating away like rotting meat.

You might say it is like a gangrene, to deaden by religious &#959;r other discipline, as the carnal affections, bodily appetites, &#959;r worldly desires.

Consider the way it is used in the Hebrew for the moth and the worm:

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

 

[Timothew]

What if we put the english words right beside the greek words?
That way you can also view the strong's #

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NT) Matthew 6:21 opou <3699> {where} gar <1063> {for} estin <2076> (5748) [is] o <3588> {the} qhsauroV <2344> {treasure} umwn <5216> {of ye} ekei <1563> {there} estai <2071> (5704) {shall be} kai <2532> {also} h <3588> {the} kardia <2588> {heart} umwn <5216> {of ye}

Brosis is Strong's #1035
I see it as brosis in Matthew 6:19 and 20; and in John 6:55 (my flesh is real food) and in Romans 14:17 (the kingdom of God is not food and drink)

It is in the form Brosin in John 4:32 (I have food to eat that you know nothing about), Twice in John 6:27 (do not work for food that spoils, but food that endures) and 2 Cor 9:10 (supplies...bread for food)

Brosei in Colossians 2:16 (let therefore no one judge you in regard to food) (or in regard to eating)

Broseos in 1 Cor 8:4 about the meal sacrificed to idols)
and Hebrews 12:16 (Esau sold his birthright for one meal)

 

[he-man]

Brosis is Strong's #1035
I see it as brosis in Matthew 6:19 and 20; and in John 6:55 (my flesh is real food) and in Romans 14:17 (the kingdom of God is not food and drink)

It is in the form Brosin in John 4:32 (I have food to eat that you know nothing about), Twice in John 6:27 (do not work for food that spoils, but food that endures) and 2 Cor 9:10 (supplies...bread for food)

Brosei in Colossians 2:16 (let therefore no one judge you in regard to food) (or in regard to eating)

Broseos in 1 Cor 8:4 about the meal sacrificed to idols)
and Hebrews 12:16 (Esau sold his birthright for one meal)

The endings of the word &#946;&#961;&#969; &#963;&#953;&#962;, &#963;&#953;&#957;, &#963;&#949;&#953;, are simply to determine how it is used in the Greek sentence, Noun, Verb, participle, present, Future, Mood, etc.; the various endings added to this stem are personal endings

I see it as brosis in Matthew 6:19 and 20; and in John 6:55 (my flesh is real meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962;)

and in Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Rom 14:20 For meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

It is in the form Brosin in John 4:32 (I have meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; to eat that you know nothing about),

Twice in John 6:27 (do not work for meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; that spoils, but meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; that endures) and 2 Cor 9:10 (supplies...bread for meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957;)

Brosei in Colossians 2:16 (let therefore no one judge you in regard to meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#953;) (or in regard to eating)

and Hebrews 12:16 (Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau who for one morsel of meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962;, sold his birthright )

I gave you this to show how the word is used in the context:
1 Cor 8:4 1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962; of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. )

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The endings of the word &#946;&#961;&#969; &#963;&#953;&#962;, &#963;&#953;&#957;, &#963;&#949;&#953;, are simply to determine how it is used in the Greek sentence, Noun, Verb, participle, present, Future, Mood, etc.; the various endings added to this stem are personal endings

Howdy.
Your username looks familiar.
Did you ever post on the Christadelphian Forum some time back?

 

[Timothew]

The endings of the word &#946;&#961;&#969; &#963;&#953;&#962;, &#963;&#953;&#957;, &#963;&#949;&#953;, are simply to determine how it is used in the Greek sentence, Noun, Verb, participle, present, Future, Mood, etc.; the various endings added to this stem are personal endings

I see it as brosis in Matthew 6:19 and 20; and in John 6:55 (my flesh is real meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962;)

and in Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Rom 14:20 For meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#962; destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

It is in the form Brosin in John 4:32 (I have meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; to eat that you know nothing about),

Twice in John 6:27 (do not work for meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; that spoils, but meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957; that endures) and 2 Cor 9:10 (supplies...bread for meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#953;&#957;)

Brosei in Colossians 2:16 (let therefore no one judge you in regard to meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#953;) (or in regard to eating)

and Hebrews 12:16 (Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau who for one morsel of meat &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962;, sold his birthright )

I gave you this to show how the word is used in the context:
1 Cor 8:4 1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating &#946;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#949;&#969;&#962; of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. )

That's excellent, but how do the interpreters move from food, eating, meat, meal, etc to rust?

 

[Timothew]

What if we put the english words right beside the greek words?
That way you can also view the strong's #

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NT) Matthew 6:21 opou <3699> {where} gar <1063> {for} estin <2076> (5748) [is] o <3588> {the} qhsauroV <2344> {treasure} umwn <5216> {of ye} ekei <1563> {there} estai <2071> (5704) {shall be} kai <2532> {also} h <3588> {the} kardia <2588> {heart} umwn <5216> {of ye}

The first translation is directly word for word, as much as possible.
Matthew 6:21

&#959;&#960;&#959;&#965; &#947;&#945;&#961; &#949;&#963;&#964;&#953;&#957; &#959; &#952;&#951;&#963;&#945;&#965;&#961;&#959;&#962; &#965;&#956;&#969;&#957;
&#949;&#954;&#949;&#953; &#949;&#963;&#964;&#945;&#953; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#951; &#954;&#945;&#961;&#948;&#953;&#945; &#965;&#956;&#969;&#957;

where for is the treasure your
there shall also the heart your

for where your treasure is,
there your heart shall be also.

Matthew 6:21 Greek Texts and Analysis

 

[he-man]

Howdy.
Your username looks familiar.
Did you ever post on the Christadelphian Forum some time back?

Yes, BRANDED AS A GNOSTIC, HERETIC AND FUNDIE TROUBLEMAKER ON CF

 

[Magentic]

staple item around here

 

[Timothew]

Yes, BRANDED AS A GNOSTIC, HERETIC AND FUNDIE TROUBLEMAKER ON CF

CF has a support group for people who have the Heretic Brand.
http://www.christianforums.com/groups/351/


Tim

 

[he-man]

CF has a support group for people who have the Heretic Brand.
Tim

Lovely of you Tim, but I do not consider myself any more of GNOSTIC, HERETIC AND FUNDIE TROUBLEMAKER , than Christ.

 

[Timothew]

Lovely of you Tim, but I do not consider myself any more of GNOSTIC, HERETIC AND FUNDIE TROUBLEMAKER , than Christ.

Me neither, but there I am with a big red H branded on me!