Matthew 1:1

[Radagast]

Are you not seeing the greek text on this thread?
What do these look like on your end?'
Ἐπειδήπερ πολλοὶ ἐπεχείρησαν ἀνατάξασθαι διήγησιν περὶ τῶν πεπληροφορημένων ἐν ἡμῖν πραγμάτων,

επειδηπερ πολλοι επεχειρησαν αναταξασθαι διηγησιν περι των πεπληροφορημενων εν ημιν πραγματων

I'm seeing your Greek fine, because it's unicode.

 

[Radagast]

I prefer using the transliterated greek, as it is easier for me to read than the symbol/koine greek.

Learn the alphabet! It's fun, and lets you use real dictionaries.

Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek alphabet in 10 easy steps (1)
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (2): The Chi-Rho
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (3): Two Long Vowels
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (4): Two Consonants
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (5): Jesus is Lord
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (6): The Sign of the Fish
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (7): In the Beginning
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (8): Writing of Life
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (9): The Father of Lies
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (10): The Last Three Letters

 

[Timothew]

I'm seeing your Greek fine, because it's unicode.

Thanks, I don't know much about inner workings of computers.

LLOJ uses a English letter form of greek that I just can't get the hang of reading. It's greek to me or something.

 

[Radagast]

Thanks, I don't know much about inner workings of computers.

LLOJ uses a English letter form of greek that I just can't get the hang of reading. It's greek to me or something.

LLOJ uses an out-of-date technology (which never worked in Firefox), namely the use of "Symbol" font.

If you copy his pseudo-Greek to Microsoft Word and convert it to "Symbol" font, it magically turns into real Greek (though without accents).

I admit, the pseudo-Greek makes my head hurt -- I tend to prefer real Greek (πραγματω&#957 or proper English transliteration (pragmatōn).

Most modern computers allow the full Greek character set with accents, using "unicode," so the pseudo-Greek comes mostly from very old websites.

 

[Timothew]

Learn the alphabet! It's fun, and lets you use real dictionaries.

Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek alphabet in 10 easy steps (1)
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (2): The Chi-Rho
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (3): Two Long Vowels
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (4): Two Consonants
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (5): Jesus is Lord
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (6): The Sign of the Fish
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (7): In the Beginning
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (8): Writing of Life
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (9): The Father of Lies
Radagast’s Third Blog: The Greek Alphabet (10): The Last Three Letters

Great blog. I wish I would have seen this when I started learning the greek alphabet.

 

[Timothew]

Beta is the second letter of the Greek alphabet (coming after alpha, hence "alphabet"). It is written β (capital &#914 and pronounced like "b" in English.

I've heard modern greeks and some moderns reading koine greek pronouncing beta as "v".

 

[Radagast]

Beta is the second letter of the Greek alphabet (coming after alpha, hence "alphabet"). It is written β (capital &#914 and pronounced like "b" in English.

I've heard modern greeks and some moderns reading koine greek pronouncing beta as "v".

There's been a shift in the sound of Greek over 2,000 years. If a modern Greek wants to say "b," they write "μπ."

Also, several vowels get given the same sound in modern Greek.

And of course, meanings have changed too, so a modern Greek dictionary is no use for Koine.

They've even translated the Bible from Greek (Koine) into Greek (modern).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by someguy14 If your beliefs do not line up with The Gospels, we are to avoid your instructions completely. I choose God.

I say WOAH! Man is without excuse. Repent friend. God loves you..

Troll:
1. A mythical, cave-dwelling being depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance.
2. The action of trolling for fish.
3. One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

I somehow get that impression of him also


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[he-man]

Matthew 11:2

ο δε ιωαννης ακουσας εν τω δεσμωτηριω τα εργα του χριστου πεμψας δυο των μαθητων αυτου

the but John hearing in the prison the works the Christ sent two the disciples his

While in prison, John heard of the works of Christ and sent two of his disciples,

δεσμωτηρίῳ: a place of binding

Mat 11:2 ο δε ιωαννης ακουσας εν τω δεσμωτηριω τα εργα του χριστου πεμψας δια των μαθητων αυτου

Mat 11:2 And John being held captive and having heard the works of Christ, sent through his disciples,

δεσμώτη captive, Hdt.3.143, Th.5.35, etc.:—fem. δεσμ-ῶτις , Hld.8.8: metaph. of the soul, Ph.1.289.
II. as Adj., in chains, fettered, A.Pr.119 Henry George Liddell. Robert Scott

 

[Radagast]

δεσμωτηρίῳ: a place of binding

This word for "prison" (δεσμωτήριον, Strong's G1201) also occurs in Acts 5:21,23 and Acts 16:26.

LSJ also has the word in Herodotus, Thucydides, and Plato: "For as it is, if somebody should seize hold of you or anyone else at all of your sort, and drag you off to prison (εἰς τὸ δεσμωτήριον ἀπάγο&#953, asserting that you were guilty of a wrong you had never done, you know you would be at a loss what to do with yourself, and would be all dizzy." (Gorgias, 486a)

 

[Radagast]

Oh, by the way, LLOJ, your large signature does make it a little bit difficult to read the thread sometimes.

 

[Timothew]

Oh, by the way, LLOJ, your large signature does make it a little bit difficult to read the thread sometimes.

It's not the size of the signature, it's how you use it. At least that's what I tell the ladies.

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 11:3

ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο ερχομενος η ετερον προσδοκωμεν

he-said him you are the coming or another we-are expecting

He said to him, "Are you the one coming or are we to expect another?"

 

[Radagast]

Matthew 11:3

ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο ερχομενος η ετερον προσδοκωμεν

he-said him you are the coming or another we-are expecting

He said to him, "Are you the one coming or are we to expect another?"

I'd link that to your previous with:

While in prison, John heard of the works of Christ and sent two of his disciples, ... asking him, "Are you the one coming or are we to expect another?"

Remember, this is the sentence that started in verse 2. "ειπεν" is the main verb.

 

[Timothew]

I was thinking something like that. I guess laziness and that the previous verse is so many pages ago stopped me. I put a comma after verse 2 just so that I could link it to verse 3, but then I didn't link them. Sorry.

Matthew 11:3

ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο ερχομενος η ετερον προσδοκωμεν
saying-to him you are the coming or another we-are expecting
asking him, "Are you the one coming or are we to expect another?"

Thanks for catching that.

 

[he-man]

Matthew 11:3

ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο ερχομενος η ετερον προσδοκωμεν

he-said him you are the coming or another we-are expecting

He said to him, "Are you the one coming or are we to expect another?"

Mat 11:3 ειπεν αυτω συ ει ο ερχομενος η ετερον προσδοκωμεν

Mat 11:3 They said to him, Are you the one that should come, or do we expect another?

 

[he-man]

This word for "prison" (δεσμωτήριον, Strong's G1201) also occurs in Acts 5:21,23 and Acts 16:26.

LSJ also has the word in Herodotus, Thucydides, and Plato: "For as it is, if somebody should seize hold of you or anyone else at all of your sort, and drag you off to prison (εἰς τὸ δεσμωτήριον ἀπάγο&#953, asserting that you were guilty of a wrong you had never done, you know you would be at a loss what to do with yourself, and would be all dizzy." (Gorgias, 486a)

δεσμώτη captive, Hdt.3.143, Th.5.35, etc.:—fem. δεσμ-ῶτις , Hld.8.8: metaph. of the soul, Ph.1.289.
II. as Adj., in chains, fettered, A.Pr.119 Henry George Liddell. Robert Scott

 

[Radagast]

δεσμώτη captive, Hdt.3.143, Th.5.35, etc.:—fem. δεσμ-ῶτις , Hld.8.8: metaph. of the soul, Ph.1.289.
II. as Adj., in chains, fettered, A.Pr.119 Henry George Liddell. Robert Scott

Wrong word, I'm afraid. This is the appropriate entry in LSJ:

δεσμ-ωτήριον , τό,
A. prison, Th.6.60, Pl.Grg.486a, D.9.60, etc.; “δ. ἀνδρῶν” Hdt.3.23: pl., = Lat.ergastula, Plu.TG8.

 

[he-man]

Wrong word, I'm afraid. This is the appropriate entry in LSJ:

δεσμ-ωτήριον , τό,
A. prison, Th.6.60, Pl.Grg.486a, D.9.60, etc.; “δ. ἀνδρῶν” Hdt.3.23: pl., = Lat.ergastula, Plu.TG8.

correct, thank you, my bad

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 11:4

και αποκριθεις ο ιησους ειπεν αυτοις πορευθεντες απαγγειλατε ιωαννη α ακουετε και βλεπετε

and answering the Jesus told them go report-to John what you-hear and you-see

Jesus replied to them, "Go report to John what you have heard and seen,